You play Minecraft?

[LizzyRascal]

EDIT: It's not a building game, it's more of a creative/survival game.

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[ECrownofFire]

Reply to all graphics-related arguments: Dwarf Fortress and other roguelikes. Who needs graphics?

Besides, I'd like to see a game that did something close to what Minecraft does (the terrain shaping that is both precise and somewhat easy to use) and NOT be blocky.

Gameplay over graphics every time. Only in an RPG, where atmosphere is important, do graphics actually have the ability to help gameplay. And an FPS, where accurately showing a model is very important for hitboxes. But beyond semi-accurately displaying a model, I don't care except for atmosphere. And atmosphere isn't necessary to every RPG out there.

[WhoDa?]

Minecraft got boring after playing it the 10th time.

Get materials, build a shelter to survive the first night, get more materials, find mine and either live inside the mine or make a shelter outside the mine, fight monsters inside and outside of the mine, get more materials, find mine system, get more materials, if you're lucky you find a dungeon, get more materials and so on.

GRAPHIC ISN'T IMPORTANT BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE GENRE. FPS AND MMOS NEED IT BECAUSE I THINK SO AND ITS IN MY OPINION

stop being a hypocrite.
since you get used to play games with nice graphics you need some eye candy here and there so graphic's important nowadays for a lot of people.

[Jay the Cartoonist]

Sure , play Blockland.
I respect your decisions.
Exept for the last one.
I poersonally want to rip off everyone's head that dislikes minecraft because of it's graphics.

I kinda like the graphics.

[HellHound]

Minecraft, I dislike it more than ever because I can't find this so called "creative" thing.

[Blockoman]

Minecraft, I dislike it more than ever because I can't find this so called "creative" thing.

Took me two seconds to google.

http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp

[ECrownofFire]

Minecraft got boring after playing it the 10th time.

Get materials, build a shelter to survive the first night, get more materials, find mine and either live inside the mine or make a shelter outside the mine, fight monsters inside and outside of the mine, get more materials, find mine system, get more materials, if you're lucky you find a dungeon, get more materials and so on.


stop being a hypocrite.
since you get used to play games with nice graphics you need some eye candy here and there so graphic's important nowadays for a lot of people.

Wait, how am I being a hypocrite? Nothing hypocritical about that from what I can see. The main thing is, graphics are always a secondary point. Given the choice of paying five or ten bucks more for better graphics, why not? But only if that game had an atmosphere in the first place. Oblivion had no atmosphere, just a generic fantasy-land, and in general isn't that great of a game without mods. Graphics didn't help it that much. Games don't even need graphics to have a great atmosphere. They certainly help, but only in certain cases. Graphics have the ability to increase gameplay value, but only if used CORRECTLY. You can't dress stuff up and expect it to not be stuff.

And I never said anything about MMOs. Look at Ultima Online or something like that, I don't know, I don't play them.

[WhoDa?]

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I don't see your point. Important for a game is the gameplay, never the graphic. Not for atmosphere or whatsoever.
Compare GTA4 to any previous GTAs, it's the same game and graphics didn't change the fun at all. Compare Fable 1 to Fable 2 & 3. It's actually still (almost) the same game and the graphic didn't change anything at all.
Compare Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 to every CoD released after them.

The graphics are NEVER important to a game at all. It's the generation of gamers we have nowadays that generalize a game for its graphics.
And the old-generation gamers get used to the new graphic and want more eye-candy.

And I never said anything about MMOs. Look at Ultima Online or something like that, I don't know, I don't play them.

My mistake, I always see MMOs when someone writes anything about RPGs

[ECrownofFire]

I don't see your point. Important for a game is the gameplay, never the graphic. Not for atmosphere or whatsoever.
Compare GTA4 to any previous GTAs, it's the same game and graphics didn't change the fun at all. Compare Fable 1 to Fable 2 & 3. It's actually still (almost) the same game and the graphic didn't change anything at all.
Compare Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 to every CoD released after them.

The graphics are NEVER important to a game at all. It's the generation of gamers we have nowadays that generalize a game for its graphics.
And the old-generation gamers get used to the new graphic and want more eye-candy.

My mistake, I always see MMOs when someone writes anything about RPGs

My point is that graphics are rarely important, and even when they are, they're still secondary to actual gameplay. The thing is, atmosphere is a part of my enjoyment of the game. CoD is a terrible example, I know that it hasn't changed, it never had any atmosphere in the first place, so of course graphics aren't going to help.

Graphics CAN help a game, but they never go over gameplay even if they do.

[Blockoman]

I don't see your point. Important for a game is the gameplay, never the graphic. Not for atmosphere or whatsoever.
Compare GTA4 to any previous GTAs, it's the same game and graphics didn't change the fun at all. Compare Fable 1 to Fable 2 & 3. It's actually still (almost) the same game and the graphic didn't change anything at all.
Compare Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3 to every CoD released after them.

The graphics are NEVER important to a game at all. It's the generation of gamers we have nowadays that generalize a game for its graphics.
And the old-generation gamers get used to the new graphic and want more eye-candy.

My mistake, I always see MMOs when someone writes anything about RPGs

Um, no. Graphics don't make a game good or bad, but they can HELP. The point is, there is a difference between unintended terrible graphics and retro-pixel graphics which some people think look bad.

Also; say there are two versions of an RPG game. One has the worst graphics you've ever seen, one has the best graphics possible for this age. They are identical in every other way: which is better?

By your logic, the games would be the same. There would be no better one.

[WhoDa?]

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So actually our opinion is the same and we argue over the same point in a different view.

By your logic, the games would be the same. There would be no better one.

Of course the game would be the same. The game with the better graphic has only more eye candy and that's about it.
The point of the game is the same
The gameplay is the same
The world is the same and bla bla bla

I'd rather play the game with worse graphic since it's a lot more ram-friendly and doesn't overheat my graphic card or my CPU in any way. And I could go browse around in the internet and find out stuff about the game (if I'm stuck somewhere or anything). I would never have any FPS problems at all as well.

[ECrownofFire]

So actually our opinion is the same and we argue over the same point in a different view.

Of course the game would be the same. The game with the better graphic has only more eye candy and that's about it.
The point of the game is the same
The gameplay is the same
The world is the same and bla bla bla

I'd rather play the game with worse graphic since it's a lot more ram-friendly and doesn't overheat my graphic card or my CPU in any way. And I could go browse around in the internet and find out stuff about the game (if I'm stuck somewhere or anything). I would never have any FPS problems at all as well.

Woo, agreeing.

I'd take the better graphics game if I could do stuff while playing it. And it depends on the game, really. And just how good/bad the graphics were. And cost. Yeah, there's just too many variables to be sure.

[Visage]

I always preferred 2d and simple looking games, because when a game isn't pretty, it has to have great gameplay, and usually that is the case. I feel kind of stupid getting this new gaming comp when all I play is minecraft, haven and hearth, and the humble bundle games.

[ultimamax]

Oh, icygamma, that guy who had that zombie server I could never get into but was supposed to be quite good.

I think that was IceBlue. He began hosting it again recently, under the name "knaz"

[Jubel]

Compare GTA4 to any previous GTAs, it's the same game and graphics didn't change the fun at all.

GTA IV is funner because of its graphics though.
Especially on multiplayer.