Opinions - Should we destroy the last bit of the smallpox disease?

[Stocking]

An undeveloped fetus is not a person. It is a potential person.

Then is a child not a person until it becomes an adult? When are we no longer cells or proteins but actual people? Conception? Birth? Adolescence?

That's what we need.

More children in the adoption system.

Yeah, it's better for everyone if we just kill them all. まほ～

[Ad Bot]

[Qwepir]

Then is a child not a person until it becomes an adult? When are we no longer cells or proteins but actual people? Conception? Birth? Adolescence?

Birth. As soon as a baby can survive outside the womb it is a person. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

[Kalphiter]

Yeah, it's better for everyone if we just kill them all. まほ～

I will never have children.
So, did my future wife just technically have an abortion?

Birth. As soon as a baby can survive outside the womb it is a person. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Well, I find early abortions (under 3 months) alright.
It gets a little more difficult after that.

[Tom Gunn]

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Then why do people waste time over the subject if it's that easy?

[Qwepir]

Then why do people waste time over the subject if it's that easy?

Because the kind of people who waste time on this are loving morons.

[Iban]

Then is a child not a person until it becomes an adult? When are we no longer cells or proteins but actual people? Conception? Birth? Adolescence?

This is such a complicated question I could literally write a book going over the varying theories of what makes a person.

I think a better question is, what life is worth keeping and what life is not? We are reaching a day and age where that is going to be more and more acceptable a question as these umbrella notions about ethics and morality go to the wayside. Right now it seems extreme, but in my life time doctor assisted homicide will become ethical and humane.  I bet money on it.

Yeah, it's better for everyone if we just kill them all. まほ～

Even if I permit the idea that this is indeed the extermination of life, the term murder has connotation to try and contrive thought not acceptable for debate or discussion about ideas.

[Tom Gunn]

Because people are loving morons.

QFT

[captain blue]

Because the kind of people who oppose this are loving morons.

"everybody with different opinion is a loving moron"
sheesh, and people say christians are intolerant

[Qwepir]

Who said I'm not a Christian? That looked like a straight out jab at other religions.

[AfterShock]

See what you did, Tylale?  You sparked a religion debate on the internet, which is pointless.

[Stocking]

Birth. As soon as a baby can survive outside the womb it is a person. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Why such an arbitrary point? Why birth?

I will never have children.
So, did my future wife just technically have an abortion?

No, just like you never painting a masterpiece doesn't destroy a masterpiece; it's just something that wasn't there to begin with.

This is such a complicated question I could literally write a book going over the varying theories of what makes a person.

I think a better question is, what life is worth keeping and what life is not? We are reaching a day and age where that is going to be more and more acceptable a question as these umbrella notions about ethics and morality go to the wayside. Right now it seems extreme, but in my life time doctor assisted homicide will become ethical and humane.  I bet money on it.

I believe there will be widespread war as the people deemed not-worth-keeping by society retaliate, and their sympathizers along with them. Now I hate to use the example of national socialist Germany, but that's exactly what would happen in that kind of scenario, and millions would die as a result if any country with significant military power decided to start exterminating it's excess population.

[Sheath]

Oh dear, I hope my little brother isn't on the forums right now.

Far more on this forum that'd screw him up. Hue.

[Iban]

"everybody with different opinion is a loving moron"
sheesh, and people say christians are intolerant

a different opinion is not the same thing as the blind ignorance of facts.

"I like Picasso."
"I really don't think abstract art is art."
"Art is the production of anything for enjoyment of the producer, and the author, that does not actually benefit the species. So, yea, abstract art is art even though it doesn't have a poignant or specified meaning."
"I disagree. I think Art is the expression of an idea. Abstract art doesn't do that."
"Well, lets just agree to disagree. :)"
"OK bro. :)"

"YOU'RE MURDERING YOUR OWN BABY I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL"
"I WAS RAPED AND I'M 14 WHAT THE forget IS WRONG WITH YOU"
"SATAN WILL NAB YOUR SOUL THROUGH THAT FILTHY BLOODY CUNT OF YOURS"
"OH MY GOD WHYYYYY"

Why such an arbitrary point? Why birth?

How the forget is that arbitrary? If I shoved you through another person's gaping axe wound I think you'd put that on your calendar or some stuff.

No, just like you never painting a masterpiece doesn't destroy a masterpiece; it's just something that wasn't there to begin with.

I like how you compare an unwanted and underprivileged child to a masterpiece. Nice.

I believe there will be widespread war as the people deemed not-worth-keeping by society retaliate, and their sympathizers along with them. Now I hate to use the example of national socialist Germany, but that's exactly what would happen in that kind of scenario, and millions would die as a result if any country with significant military power decided to start exterminating it's excess population.

Except that all genocides in the past have been unfounded. The jews have been the target of this many times. national socialist Germany blamed them for destroying the economy and during the Black Plague they were accused of poisoning the wells with disease. The future "genocides" will be based on things that actually make sense. Instead of taking the hedge clippers to the head of the topiary, we'll trip the brown leaves.

[Tingalz]

No, just like you never painting a masterpiece doesn't destroy a masterpiece; it's just something that wasn't there to begin with.

So what you're saying is that if a mother doesn't want to go though the long process to even produce the baby, then she completely has to just because of a mistake? And what if the "mother" is at an age like 12 or 14? Do you want them to go though giving birth at an unfit age just because they made a dumb descision? Also, do you want the child to grow up in poverty or something like that because their mother was a teenager when they were born?

So really, which option here is the true life ruiner?

[Sheath]

If your mother was raped, would you be against her having an abortion? Period.