Author Topic: MicroBlock - Original v9 Eventers [Mb]  (Read 28103 times)

Your ID was unbanned from the server.

You need to ensure whoever used your computer last time doesn't again. Please note that in the future, if spamming is linked to your ID for a second time I can not unban you, as regardless who owns the ID its been associated with rule breaking.

thank you. (mental note,keep people away from my pc)

Hey Icy, I reread your OP and I don't see anywhere that apps need to include a mundane design concept that has nothing to do with the functionality of the device.

might want to add that.

Also there's no rule list so I have no way of, "reading the MB forum topic for more."

neither is there a section 2.3

Hey Icy, I reread your OP and I don't see anywhere that apps need to include a mundane design concept that has nothing to do with the functionality of the device.

MicroBlock is and always has been a clan that builds Blockland computers, as described in the OP, and is actively asking applicants to develop interesting novelty builds that capture design and clever events. Any "mundane design" is only as mundane as your design skills will permit; that is only a reflection on you.

You have been actively involved in the MB server, and were told on a number of occasions the deal with what was expected from apps to the clan. I can specifically reference last time when you attempted to app with broken events, afterwards I gave you a clear and direct rundown of what was expected. You also witnessed many others apply in the time you were at the server, I would be highly surprised if you hadn't been exposed to application standards on a number of occasions.

Your application was not saved, and it must not have taken a lot of time, nor must you have cared about it too much if you hadn't backed it up.

No other applicant, regardless of age or ID, has ever had issue understanding MicroBlock's application standards. Even after we (we being Slicksilver555 and I) strictly explained to you the terms of how to apply, for what was yet another time, you decided to argue that we were wrong and attempted to tell me what my application system was.

You have continued to show lack of care for MicroBlock, its purpose, its administrators and hosts, its rules and expectations, and have showed little effort or refinement in your application attempts. Slicksilver555 further discussed ways to make the application system more obvious for people who were unable to understand or retain the philosophy of the clan, but regardless this is not about your lack of understanding about submitting an app, but rather that you would not accept the terms we provided today (to inform you on the process) for applications (which everyone had to abide by) and that you would rather argue when you had no grounds to do so.

Also there's no rule list so I have no way of, "reading the MB forum topic for more."

neither is there a section 2.3

How would you know there is no section 2.3 if you couldn't find the rule list?

The list of rules is clearly displayed in the server welcome message, and linked to at the top and bottom of the clan OP. You have solidly proved you did not read the clan topic, so I am not surprised you have no understanding of the clan or its expectations.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2011, 04:05:39 AM by Sheath »

MicroBlock is and always has been a clan that builds Blockland computers, as described in the OP, and is actively asking applicants to develop interesting novelty builds that capture design and clever events. Any "mundane design" is only as mundane as your design skills will permit; that is only a reflection on you.
I was trying to demonstrate a concept, not build a computer. I'm not applying to build designs, I was applying to event.

You have been actively involved in the MB server, and were told on a number of occasions the deal with what was expected from apps to the clan. I can specifically reference last time when you attempted to app with broken events, afterwards I gave you a clear and direct rundown of what was expected. You also witnessed many others apply in the time you were at the server, I would be highly surprised if you hadn't been exposed to application standards on a number of occasions.
Surprisingly, I actually did figure out what was causing the events to break. And it was a problem with the mod. Like I said. That doesn't defend the fact that the app I made previously was denied, but it does defend the fact that you're trying to make it look like I did something wrong in my events. Which I didn't.

Take note of the fact that you're saying I've been actively involved on the server, because I'll come back to this later.

Your application was not saved, and it must not have taken a lot of time, nor must you have cared about it too much if you hadn't backed it up.
That's a pretty harsh generalization to make in a situation where generalizations are easy to create. You wouldn't want me to say the same thing about mac users or people who enjoy superfluous design? I didn't think so.

Otherwise, I did indeed spend a fair amount of time making the app and it was of great quality and exhibited an advanced knowledge of VCE events. I may have backed it up on an older computer, but I'm not going to check right now because it's late and I'm tired.

No other applicant, regardless of age or ID, has ever had issue understanding MicroBlock's application standards. Even after we (we being Slicksilver555 and I) strictly explained to you the terms of how to apply, for what was yet another time, you decided to argue that we were wrong and attempted to tell me what my application system was.
Your, "One size fits all" idea that you've just presented does not fit all. I am a minimalist or as I'd like to say in a more positive light, an efficiency expert. I get rid of the superfluous and stress the important. I made great events that definitely showed enough knowledge to join your clan (Especially the fact that I was probably one of the most actively contributing members of the original v9 microblock clan)However, you completely disregarded the fact that the events were great and derogated the quality of my app based on the fact that it didn't have some tacky design that did not impair nor improve the quality of the eventing application itself.

Your counterargument is that I should make everything pretty when I try to apply to something.

Why exactly? It does nothing to make it any better, and all it proves to do is let you say, "Oh, this application has good events. Yet it also has a good build, so the events are improved vicariously" However basic thought reveals that this is far from the truth. The fact of the matter is that you're more concerned with appearance than functionality. If that wasn't the case, you would have first graded my application on it's events (If it wasn't deleted by you) rather then jumping to conclusions that because it isn't attractive, it's not functional.

In which case, the situation I'm visualizing is that if I was accepted into the clan, you'd micromanage the stuff out of everything I create to impair my ability to actually event useful and creative devices just to have me make them look pretty.

You have continued to show lack of care for MicroBlock, its purpose, its administrators and hosts, its rules and expectations, and have showed little effort or refinement in your application attempts. Slicksilver555 further discussed ways to make the application system more obvious for people who were unable to understand or retain the philosophy of the clan, but regardless this is not about your lack of understanding about submitting an app, but rather that you would not accept the terms we provided today (to inform you on the process) for applications (which everyone had to abide by) and that you would rather argue when you had no grounds to do so.
Funny how you would say that I do not care for MicroBlock when I've already burned through 2 apps, one that was broken due to the event mod being bugged, and one that was broken because you accidentally destroyed it.

Additionally, I'd like to go back to what I said earlier. You stated a few paragraphs previously that I have been actively involved on the microblock server. So essentially, criticizing my interest in your clan is just contradicting yourself. Maybe if you spent more time proofreading and refining the logic in your post instead of forcing this intentional formal voice, you would have a better argument.

It's not a matter of me not understanding the application system, or me intentionally disrupting the flow of the application process just to be a rebel. Or the fact that I like or dislike you, yet rather a critical view of the application system itself. I'm not going to state once again why I feel this way (As if it's not clear enough in the past paragraphs I've typed) however there isn't really anything I could even append.

As for the grounds of my argument, it's the fact that you completely disregarded my second application and destroyed it, which is a fairly solid ground for questioning your flawed and illogical application system.


I was trying to demonstrate a concept, not build a computer. I'm not applying to build designs, I was applying to event.

This is not up to you. There is no event only application option. Either you do it our way, or you don't get a place.

However, you completely disregarded the fact that the events were great and derogated the quality of my app based on the fact that it didn't have some tacky design that did not impair nor improve the quality of the eventing application itself.

Your app was not received and it was accidentally deleted and you had no backup. There were no "great events" that I witnessed, so it can not be commented on.

As for the grounds of my argument, it's the fact that you completely disregarded my second application and destroyed it, which is a fairly solid ground for questioning your flawed and illogical application system.

You are well aware your application was destroyed on accident. If you want me to post the chat log, I will, because I won't let you twist this. That is downright pathetic of you.

The application system isn't "illogical" just because you aren't able to design things.


You posted a lot of other comments which miss the point of what I said, so I'm not going to bother responding. Because this is not up for debate, our app system is the way it is and its not changing for you just because you decided you don't like it. You have failed to meet the requirements for the clan. Period.

The application system isn't "illogical" just because you aren't able to design things.


You posted a lot of other comments which miss the point of what I said, so I'm not going to bother responding. Because this is not up for debate, our app system is the way it is and its not changing for you just because you decided you don't like it. You have failed to meet the requirements for the clan. Period.
I'm completely able, it's just that it makes no sense why I need to include a purposeless bulk of filler on something that requires none of it. All it serves to do is distract me from making the events good so that it's pretty to look at.

You posted a lot of other comments which miss the point of what I said, so I'm not going to bother responding.
"He posted really good responses that aren't really able to be counter argued, so I'm just going to pretend that I don't care and hope people agree with me"

Nice.

You are well aware your application was destroyed on accident. If you want me to post the chat log, I will, because I won't let you twist this. That is downright pathetic of you.
Agreed. I said so. But you probably should have checked to see if it was an app or not.

Also once again, no where on the OP does it state that putting a design is a necessity when apping for an eventing position. So essentially you destroyed my application for a reason you never made clear. Which is your fault, accident or not.

Because this is not up for debate, our app system is the way it is and its not changing for you just because you decided you don't like it. You have failed to meet the requirements for the clan. Period.
I have no desire to join a clan that puts more effort on shallow useless concepts then the content that actually makes a difference. The content created before you instituted a redundant application policy, were no better then present. The only person who creates content is you and Slicksilver. This has been the same for every clan you make because you have a terrible ability to look at the big picture. You made this clan likely to show off your posse of v9 eventing friends who have mastered their skill and nothing else. The purpose of a clan is to combine population and skill to make something superior to the abilities of a single person, yet you have made no effort to even try to coordinate an event or a group project that reflects this ideology.

I was reasonably certain prior that this clan would actually create content, yet in the last 4 weeks I was joining the server frequently. Nothing interesting was created, there's a multicolored garden in the geological center of the HQ, and you have an incomplete building that hasn't shown much signs of development in the last few weeks. You have been bitching me out for reasons you cannot explain when I bluntly ask you why. I have a reasonably good idea that it's because you still think I made Nightmare Duckie leave the original Microblock. It never happened, he doesn't remember it. I don't remember it. You're the only one bringing up a conflict that has a debatable existence in the first place.

What does this tell me? That the only purpose of making this clan was to flex your elitism and further entertain the idea that you are a unique and interesting person.

Send me a PM when your mission statement is revised to something less completely handicapped and you decide to grow up.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2011, 05:30:45 PM by SeventhSandwich »

I have to agree with Seventh on the app requirement of a good build w/ the events. I believe it's completely stupid if you just want to do events. Not everyone can build.

Plus, there are no stated App requirements in the OP that I see. I think you do need to put those in the OP if you want people to know what you're looking for.

"He posted really good responses that aren't really able to be counter argued, so I'm just going to pretend that I don't care and hope people agree with me"

No. For example, my pointer about your broken events went over your head and you decided to yet again plead about why those events were great even though they were broken. Get over yourself, I'd rather not engage in sub-branches of your complaints and stay on the actual discussion at hand.

Also once again, no where on the OP does it state that putting a design is a necessity when apping for an eventing position. So essentially you destroyed my application for a reason you never made clear. Which is your fault, accident or not.

Again, there was no reason. I made it clear it was an accident. Small clusters of bricks are regularly removed from the server.

I have no desire to join a clan that puts more effort on shallow useless concepts then the content that actually makes a difference.

Trust me, after this display you are not wanted.

yet you have made no effort

We'll talk effort when you show some.


Nothing interesting was created, there's a multicolored garden in the geological center of the HQ, and you have an incomplete building that hasn't shown much signs of development in the last few weeks

We have a building room where I'm working on two projects, its cut off to non-members. Since you aren't a member, you don't really know what you are talking about.

There was also new structural work finished at the Centipede, and more furnishings done in The Slate Buidling. Again, another case where your attention to detail was lacking.

Send me a PM when your mission statement is revised to something less completely handicapped and you decide to grow up.

I need to grow up because in your opinion showing building skills to get into a clan that requires building and event skills doesn't suit you? Jesus Seventh. You are messed up in the head.

Don't think I'll ever understand why you decided to argue than just suck it up and make something decent as an app. You thought you could just walk all over MicroBlock's system and get a place in? There was a time where you wanted me to just let you in for nothing, you are a total sham who obviously can't build.

You need to control your temper. This isn't the first time the MicroBlock server has witnessed you go ape over an app issue.


I have to agree with Seventh on the app requirement of a good build w/ the events. I believe it's completely stupid if you just want to do events. Not everyone can build.

We don't "just do events". We have to design the interface and the build itself. Your misconception is not my problem. If you can't build, you are too incompetent to join.


Plus, there are no stated App requirements in the OP that I see. I think you do need to put those in the OP if you want people to know what you're looking for.

Every applicant so far has simply asked us. Whats wrong with the good old fashioned way of asking around? Besides, I told Seventh over 3 times and all he does is argue. He has no argument, the app system is this way and it always has been and always will be. For some reason just because he doesn't like it he thinks he is right to complain. Ignore the app system; Seventh just can't contain himself.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2011, 06:08:05 PM by Sheath »

No. For example, my pointer about your broken events went over your head and you decided to yet again plead about why those events were great even though they were broken. Get over yourself, I'd rather not engage in sub-branches of your complaints and stay on the actual discussion at hand.
They are not, "My events".

Destiny was the one who created the bugged code.

We have a building room where I'm working on two projects, its cut off to non-members. Since you aren't a member, you don't really know what you are talking about.
Hey Icy, what exactly is the point of creating a clan if only you and the coleader create content?

There was also new structural work finished at the Centipede, and more furnishings done in The Slate Buidling. Again, another case where your attention to detail was lacking.
If I couldn't notice a different then the progress was minimal.

I need to grow up because in your opinion showing building skills to get into a clan that requires building and event skills doesn't suit you? Jesus Seventh. You are messed up in the head.
Hey, I still don't see any part of the OP that states I need to apply with a build.

Frankly, I don't give a stuff about making the device's case. Of course I would put one on something I'm releasing to the public. Yet this is an application and designing a tiny design like the computers you release is a trivial task that takes such a small percentage of time that it has no purpose being on an application. If you think making a monitor and a box with a light on it requires years of experience, I highly question your own building abilities.

We don't "just do events". We have to design the interface and the build itself. Your misconception is not my problem. If you can't build, you are too incompetent to join.
One of the main necessities to make advanced event devices is having the correct mods. So maybe you should add a new requirement to the application that requires the applicant to send Slick or you an email with a screen capture showing your proficiency in installing and uninstalling blockland mods. Because surely without this expertise, how will you ever work solo on projects when the server is down?

You can apply the same over-zealously formal tone you keep using by calling it, "Intermediate experience in the skill of installing and uninstalling blockland wrench event modifications".

If you think this brown townogy is too extreme, it probably takes more time to install all the current blockland event mods then it takes to build a little shiny computer case with your application.

Every applicant so far has simply asked us. Whats wrong with the good old fashioned way of asking around? Besides, I told Seventh over 3 times and all he does is argue. He has no argument, the app system is this way and it always has been and always will be. For some reason just because he doesn't like it he thinks he is right to complain. Ignore the app system; Seventh just can't contain himself.
One of the many intended liberties of the right to freedom of speech is that people can voice their ideas when they believe a law or rule needs amendment/improvement. Same goes here. The application system is inefficient, I suggested you fix it. I can contain myself fine, on the other hand you in most discussions have resorted to ad hominem and other blatant logical fallacies when your primary arguments are defeated.


Hey Icy, what exactly is the point of creating a clan if only you and the coleader create content?

Who said that?

If I couldn't notice a different then the progress was minimal.

You stood around in The Slate Building for what, 4 hours, without realizing. I'd be surprised if you retained any of the changes, especially since you rarely visit anymore.

Hey, I still don't see any part of the OP that states I need to apply with a build.

I'm working on it.

Frankly, I don't give a stuff about making the device's case. Of course I would put one on something I'm releasing to the public.

This isn't about you. Its about showing your ability to design a quality event build. MicroBlock likes novelty and interesting creations, you should be putting the best of the best to us as an application. The event build is suppose to show your skill in both building and events, you self admitted you didn't do your best and (maybe not in so many words) was not a slow and careful build. That is not app worthy. We don't accept any old crap.

And I will be honest, I didn't read the rest because I'm bored of you at this point. You just don't get it. You make moot point after moot point.

Application Process Guidelines
Last amended 1st September 2011


Guidelines for applicants to prevent confusion and frustration for future members who seek explicit detail on what they should be aiming for.

What Should I Make?
MicroBlock likes novelty builds. Computers, devices, little pseudo-machines, consoles and other interesting builds. Some suggestions (only use these as inspiration, don't app with one of the following):
  • A coffee maker that outputs different flavors
  • A computer that draws and saves images
  • A chat message computer (two computers which trade messages on screens)
  • A game console, like pong, space invaders, or other arcade games
  • A television that plays videos

Applications should be a finished product. MicroBlock requires clever use of events, whether they are complicated and at the end of the eventing spectrum in areas like VCE, or are more simple but innovative in use of certain functions like relays.

MicroBlock likes to see builds that, as a finished creation, are impressive. You'll get extra praise for whatever skill you show under the hood, but during the app process we treat your build as a finished product. If it is not fit for the end user, don't bother sending it in.

What Is Not Accepted?
The follow is a list of unacceptable errors or issues with applications.
  • Any build that does not incorporate both design and eventing, or makes poor use of either events and / or design-- you don't have to be an amazing builder, you just need to be well rounded in what you do.
  • Events that rely too heavily on 3rd party shortcuts. Systems like VCE, Bots, and Zones are acceptable, however many other event mods that are relied on too heavily will be failed on account of lack of skill. Default events can do more than people realize.
  • Collaborated work, which is not exclusively by you-- don't shade the application process by getting someone else to do it for you, it'll show you up later on (this also includes stolen builds).
  • Any applications which rely on third party bricks, including JVS.

The application system should be used to submit your best work; this is about showing your skill. There is no brick count restriction. Applications should be posted and / or built on the main HQ server. You are responsible for backing up your work. Applications may not be loaded on servers.

Application Process Guidelines
Last amended 1st September 2011


Guidelines for applicants to prevent confusion and frustration for future members who seek explicit detail on what they should be aiming for.

What Should I Make?
MicroBlock likes novelty builds. Computers, devices, little pseudo-machines, consoles and other interesting builds. Some suggestions (only use these as inspiration, don't app with one of the following):
  • A coffee maker that outputs different flavors
  • A computer that draws and saves images
  • A chat message computer (two computers which trade messages on screens)
  • A game console, like pong, space invaders, or other arcade games
  • A television that plays videos

Applications should be a finished product. MicroBlock requires clever use of events, whether they are complicated and at the end of the eventing spectrum in areas like VCE, or are more simple but innovative in use of certain functions like relays.

MicroBlock likes to see builds that, as a finished creation, are impressive. You'll get extra praise for whatever skill you show under the hood, but during the app process we treat your build as a finished product. If it is not fit for the end user, don't bother sending it in.

What Is Not Accepted?
The follow is a list of unacceptable errors or issues with applications.
  • Any build that does not incorporate both design and eventing, or makes poor use of either events and / or design-- you don't have to be an amazing builder, you just need to be well rounded in what you do.
  • Events that rely too heavily on 3rd party shortcuts. Systems like VCE, Bots, and Zones are acceptable, however many other event mods that are relied on too heavily will be failed on account of lack of skill. Default events can do more than people realize.
  • Collaborated work, which is not exclusively by you-- don't shade the application process by getting someone else to do it for you, it'll show you up later on (this also includes stolen builds).
  • Any applications which rely on third party bricks, including JVS.

The application system should be used to submit your best work; this is about showing your skill. There is no brick count restriction. Applications should be posted and / or built on the main HQ server. You are responsible for backing up your work. Applications may not be loaded on servers.
Sheath I can make a television that plays DVD's repeatedly. It looks sort of complicated but when i'm making it, its honestly simple.

And the only blockland computer I've made was a music computer that played music. Sorry I can't show it up because im using my laptop and the saves I have it on is somewhere unaccessable at the moment.
But if you have time this weekend can one of your trusted members show me how to improve on making blockland computers plz? c:

And I can't really make game consoles yet because I honestly have no idea to make a brick move like the one in the default Pong Game save.

Sheath I can make a television that plays DVD's repeatedly. It looks sort of complicated but when i'm making it, its honestly simple.

And the only blockland computer I've made was a music computer that played music. Sorry I can't show it up because im using my laptop and the saves I have it on is somewhere unaccessable at the moment.
But if you have time this weekend can one of your trusted members show me how to improve on making blockland computers plz? c:

And I can't really make game consoles yet because I honestly have no idea to make a brick move like the one in the default Pong Game save.

It's not really moving... Look that the Pong save.