Author Topic: Cubelands, you have no idea.  (Read 12251 times)

Being deaf is not an excuse for having horrible grammar.

That said, OP doesn't really seem to be that intelligent either.

Being deaf is not an excuse for having horrible grammar.

It absolutely is.

It absolutely is.
In what way?
Reading is not dependant on hearing in any way.

It absolutely is.
The request was fine.

Not only does the stupidty of Furling's posts not come only from his lack of grammar, even the grammar part, he acknolowges that he is bad at, and refuses to improve upon. Learning english for him is like learning a forign language for us. That said, if I went to a German forum, I'd loving be sure I was good at typing German. The same applies to him. He "should be" capiable of learning proper (or at least not hilarious stuffty) grammar.

Again:
He's expected to at least try.

In what way?
Reading is not dependant on hearing in any way.
Again:
He's expected to at least try.

You aren't born knowing how to speak, everything you say until you're teens is what you've heard other people say. Expressions that you hear are things you commit to memory. When you're little, that's how you learn to speak and sound fluent, because you're constantly picking up one what people are saying around you and to a huge extent, what you hear on television. This is why children say bad words when they watch dirty programming, they're imitating what they hear and trying to find where it fits in their immature lexicon that eventually evolves into their dialect.

Being deaf completely robs you of that experience. You never, ever hear anyone talk. You never pick up things in conversation, no colloquialisms, expressions, nothing. Everything he's heard in his life has been through sign language or text, and since we don't learn to read until after we've learned to speak, he's behind. He never learned to speak, the only people that can communicate with him are family members and the like that know sign language, he doesn't use speech in his day-to-day activities and is completely incapable of building on his dialect because it doesn't exist. While we read text as speech, to him it's raw information, bland, inhuman data.

The fact that you could be so unempathetic to that is downright revolting. Yeah he's an ass, but ripping on him for his grammar is just as bad as saying "HAHA UR DEFF LOOOOL", it's disgusting.

You aren't born knowing how to speak, everything you say until you're teens is what you've heard other people say. Expressions that you hear are things you commit to memory. When you're little, that's how you learn to speak and sound fluent, because you're constantly picking up one what people are saying around you and to a huge extent, what you hear on television. This is why children say bad words when they watch dirty programming, they're imitating what they hear and trying to find where it fits in their immature lexicon that eventually evolves into their dialect.

Being deaf completely robs you of that experience. You never, ever hear anyone talk. You never pick up things in conversation, no colloquialisms, expressions, nothing. Everything he's heard in his life has been through sign language or text, and since we don't learn to read until after we've learned to speak, he's behind. He never learned to speak, the only people that can communicate with him are family members and the like that know sign language, he doesn't use speech in his day-to-day activities and is completely incapable of building on his dialect because it doesn't exist. While we read text as speech, to him it's raw information, bland, inhuman data.

The fact that you could be so unempathetic to that is downright revolting. Yeah he's an ass, but ripping on him for his grammar is just as bad as saying "HAHA UR DEFF LOOOOL", it's disgusting.
Once again, I don't really care about his terriable grammar.
I'm saying that while he might not have expirenced voice, he has been around text for most of his life.
He should have picked up on a few things in the over a year he's been here, and any other online communities he's been a part of beforehand.
It's just as personal as text, and Furling has shown that he can understand it perfectly so there's no excuse for not learning something from it.

I'm saying that while he might not have expirenced voice, he has been around text for most of his life.
He should have picked up on a few things in the over a year he's been here, and any other online communities he's been a part of beforehand.
It's just as personal as text, and Furling has shown that he can understand it perfectly so there's no excuse for not learning something from it.

Yes there is, your brain isn't wired to read, speaking comes natural but literacy is a man-made construct. It's a completely different concept, you just don't learn to speak that way. Yes he can understand, but he can't learn from it in the same way we learn to speak from hearing the language.

Yes there is, your brain isn't wired to read, speaking comes natural but literacy is a man-made construct. It's a completely different concept, you just don't learn to speak that way. Yes he can understand, but he can't learn from it in the same way we learn to speak from hearing the language.
I can learn from text without needing to hear it or read it aloud.
If you're saying he can't do something unrealted to being unable to hear... because he is deaf, you better provide some proof or reasoning.

He's a secret spy from that game, Cubelands, and he's trying to annoy us! SOLVED! :D


In what way?
Reading is not dependant on hearing in any way.
They're taught to structure their sentences differently.

Yes there is, your brain isn't wired to read, speaking comes natural but literacy is a man-made construct. It's a completely different concept, you just don't learn to speak that way. Yes he can understand, but he can't learn from it in the same way we learn to speak from hearing the language.
A quick google seach tells me English grammar, along with this My Web of Trust rating, you can learn grammar online, which doesn't involve hearing, so my only question is why hasn't he learned it yet?  I'm also sure there are more websites, I just searched "English Grammar Lessons" on google and that was one of the websites.

I know a deaf guy who doesn't use sign language, he types on his phone or writes it down, and guess what?  It's just about as good grammar you can get.

What I'm saying here is just because someone is handicapped in a way, doesn't mean they should get special treatment for things that don't apply to them.  It's like saying I need a wheel chair because I never learned to walk, but it's OK because I'm blind.


Ontopic:

Cubelands was a bit harsh in the suggestion but even through his broken grammar was right.

They're taught to structure their sentences differently.
So essentially it's a flaw in the ASL?

So essentially it's a flaw in the ASL?

Essentially, but people like Dissolve find online lessons for hearing people and automatically assumes that all deaf people are capable of perfect English.

Essentially, but people like Dissolve find online lessons for hearing people and automatically assumes that all deaf people are capable of perfect English.

I never said perfect English. I expect someone to be able to type a sentence that at least has some form of grammatical structure.

Hearing has almost nothing to do with reading, save being told how to read, and since to me it seems like furling is smart enough to read and understand, he doesn't need to learn how to read.  He can read about grammar.  He can learn English grammar, it might be harder for him then for example you or me, but he still can.

Like I said before, I don't expect ANYONE to type with 100% perfect grammar, I do expect it to be somewhat intelligible though.