I'm sorry what the forget are you saying
facts can't change because you know or don't know something
I'll break everything down for you best I can:
You stated -
oh I see so God doesn't exist until someone tells me about him
In this you implied the points:
-You don't believe there is a God (Which you've made clear in other statements)
-You may very well feel God only "exists" because people "pretend" that he does. (Coincides with the previous point)
-From a literal position, you stated that if you don't know of God, he doesn't exist. (This will be reapplied later to heliocentrism.)
I understand you did not directly say parts of this, but in the context of the conversation, you were projecting your views onto what I said. That's how I saw it, so it may have been a simple misunderstanding.
But, going on, I replied
No, you aren't born with predetermined belief, idea, or really even concepts. You have room to grow. But if you never pick up a belief in the first place, you can't lose it or stray from it. For example, if you for the entire span of you life did not believe in heliocentrism, you cannot stray from the idea that the Earth revloved around sun since you never had it in the first place. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is or isn't true. :o
The points I cover in this or were implied:
-You are born without any beliefs in God (Or really anything), a de facto Atheist. You do, however, have the
ability to believe. (Related: Tabula Rasa.)
-Just because you don't know something immediately at birth or even throughout life does not mean it isn't true. (Countering the third point of your first statement)
-You cannot stray from a belief you never had. (Reiterating my point in the first place)
-An example covering the two above
The reason I used that particular example was so that you could not try to discredit the argument by saying the center of my example was fake or unproven and then associating that with God. Also because it was the first thing that came to mind, but still.
You then replied -
sooo basically what I said right before this, then
Obviously, you were either confused or trying to be provocative. I could realistically see either. Looking back, this seemed to be the case with your first statement, too, but I digress.
I went on to explain:
No. I'm not sure if you realize this, but the earth does revolve around the sun. You don't know that at birth, right? So by your logic, until you were taught that it was, the entire solar system was messed up with mars going in loops and Earth staying stationary. :I
Here I stated:
-By the logic you were using, if something is not known, it is not real (See: Your first comment, third point). If you do not know God exists, he is not real, thus if you do not know the Earth revolves around the sun, it does not. (I reiterate, this was from the logic I observed you using. It is not my own viewpoint and may not even be yours.)
This comment was an attempt to help you understand that the viewpoint is a misguided (In certain senses. You are entitled to believe what you will, of course) and not what I meant in the first place. I used the example as such and in an extreme fashion merely because I thought the exaggeration would get through to you better.
This entire conversation was me basically trying to explain my initial statement, and then for some reason other points were stapled on later, which made it all the more complicated. I really do hope you aren't merely trying to provoke me with your comments. :/
I hope this clears up any confusion you have and that we can move past this soon enough and I apologise for any confusion I caused.
