Swholli, if you ever want to make a prefect persuasive argument, do not involve personal beliefs but facts alone. Other than your constant harsh accusations you had a fair argument.
Well, you can't fact check an opinion. My personal belief means nothing, these are the fact of our government, the argument being if the state has any rights to tell a person whether or not they can marry.
So you're telling everyone to accept gays because we're a free country and then turning around and denouncing Christians? That's just expressing a slightly biased point of view. When you're trying to persuade others it's best to not call them "arrogant twats", or say the Bible is outdated - which loses your argument's credibility.
Firstly, I never once mentioned Christians. I used the Bible as an example of religious connotation because our country is 80% Christian, and it's usually them who bring about all of this hatred. I don't have anything against their religious views, it's just that they have no right in this country to impose those views onto me.
Getting away with raping our founding father's views? Believe it or not, every last one of our founding fathers were Christian
Nope. Stop it. I am a history major, I am studying this and plan to make it my profession. And as it turns out, I know for a fact that they were not all Christians.
No granted, there were some who were. Take Benjamin Rush, for instance, one of the men who signed our Declaration. He was a strong believer in Christ and was also an advocate for keeping the church and state together rather than separate.
Needless to say, when the time came to ratify our new constitution years later, he was not present at that convention.
You see, many right wing Christians like to throw around the idea that our founders were Christians. That just simply is not the case. Firstly, they and many other men of what is known as the Enlightenment were Deists. This is a term that means they more than likely believed in a higher power, they simply did not believe in organized religion.
Thomas Jefferson, a man held in high regards in American history, was a strong advocate for separation of Church and state. He not only owned a bible, he also read and owned a Tanakh and a Koran. He went so far into his ideology of faith being determined by choice that he denounced the Christian Bible and went and wrote his own. Jefferson would fit in very well with modern day Agnostics, and some historians are even inclined to go as far and say Jefferson was an atheist.
The Bible or any other religious document has no place in government, and this applies directly to gay marriage as religion is the only thing dictating that it's wrong. The founders would be appalled and distraught to think that they broke away from the King to create a country with such strong principals of personal freedom (slavery withstanding as they honestly believed it would eventually go away ((something I've said before, actually))) to have it being tainted with right wing evangelists trying to muck up the system with their personal beliefs. Beliefs that I and many others do not agree with, which in its very nature is a constitutional crime against my first amendment rights.
- and at the time there was probably one gay person in the world. It seems to me that being gay is a fad that has started in the past couple decades -
You are clearly uneducated.
Hello.
The Greeks.
I mean. I really don't even have to say any more than that.
In fact, I can go as far as to say that disliking homoloveuals is a far newer fad started with Christianity, which was written at a time to break away with the ideals of the Roman empire (which took a lot of things from the Greeks, including public, all men bath houses).
the reason we're getting a steady rise in the number of gays is because of more a desire for attention than really having "love" for a person of the same love. But hey, that's just me, and I'm not gay so I couldn't truly tell you.
No, the reason they are getting a steady rise is because finally people are realizing that this is just another human rights issue. We have people in power opposing their own ideology on another human being because it's what
they deem morally wrong. And you wonder why I call them arrogant twats.
Christianity, for better or for worse, is no longer as great a power in the United States as it was fifty years ago. People are starting to believe in reason and critical thinking again. It's really like another Enlightenment period that our founders were in all those years ago. People are realizing the injustice it is to ban a person his or her right to marry another person whom he or she loves. Whom he or she wishes to spend the rest of their lives with, and subsequently, whom he or she would never be allowed to see in a hospital bed if the other is injured, or accept their rightful inheritance if the partner should pass on.
Our country was founded on the principals of freedoms, one of which being religion. To do this to the homoloveual community is denying them their basic, inalienable rights.
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