Author Topic: House to vote on affirming ‘In God We Trust’ as national motto  (Read 11412 times)

religion + government = apocalypse

religion + anything = apocalypse

Simplified: religion = apocalypse

religion + anything = apocalypse

Simplified: religion = apocalypse
yay math

who keeps submitting all these stupid ass bills?

Nothing in or representing our government should involve religion, and yes god involves religion.
Religion involves God. But you can believe in God without belonging to a religion - Agnostics, for example, or more generally the irreligious.

The churches would be all over us if our motto was "There is no god but there is freedom!!!!!11"
Because the motto would denounce all religion. Saying "There Is No God" is much different than saying "In God We Trust". The former is talking about God as an entity, stating its falsehood as fact, while the latter can be interpreted in a number of different ways and leaves viewing of it more open. To give brown townogy, saying "Bless you" after someone sneezes is a common courtesy. Just because you say such doesn't mean you believe in God and it doesn't force anyone to believe such either. If, though, you said "Blessings are fake" after someone sneezes, in addition to getting a number of odd looks, you would be making a statement endorsing the idea of the falsehood in blessings. Now if you were a nation, doing either would cause controversy like this is right now. Words and terms occasionally detach from their original meaning over time, but sometimes become more effective as they can then mean a variety of things to a number of different people.

Who cares if seperation of church in state was in the constitution its still a widely held value
I'm assuming you meant "wasn't". Even if it is "widely held", that doesn't make it law. The affirmation of the motto has not been claimed unlawful by any judge or member of Congress (As of yet that I know of) and thus cannot be considered such. Is it ethical? Should they be able to do it? That's the good thing about this country, there is a chance for change. Maybe one day the motto can be something a bit more secular in the eyes of all people, but then, maybe one day we'll start worrying about more important things.

Christians are in the Government? :/ I thought the majority of the populace was atheist.
Agnostics outrank atheists, I do so believe, but that is mostly due to the fact people have ceased going to church and what not. :o

In my own view, the motto is a good one. It is suiting for the nation, or at least it comes from a time when it was. But I wouldn't object to it being changed to something more secular. Nothing like "In Our Respective Deities We May Trust If So We Choose", though. Either have the spiritual tone or not. Maybe something that rhymes...

And fun math:
A government/itself = the fall of a nation

Religion involves God. But you can believe in God without belonging to a religion - Agnostics, for example, or more generally the irreligious.

Agnostics don't believe in god.

And America's religious origin seems important to me, and even if I was atheist, I would not want to omit God from America's history. (Or in this case, it's motto.)
You will find that preservation of history is not a trait unique to religious people. I think an atheist would respond to your argument by saying that it is possible to preserve America's religious history without having to keep the same motto. After all, just because we now know the Earth revolves around the sun does not mean that we have forgotten that at one time people believed the sun revolved around the Earth. We didn't have to keep people enslaved to remember that we once held people in slavery.

I would go for "In Dinosaurs We Trust"

Wasn't the first reason we came over to America was to freely practice our own religion?

Agnostics don't believe in god.

From my understanding Agnostics are unsure of whether or not there is a good and no not know what to believe, or not to believe.

Wasn't the first reason we came over to America was to freely practice our own religion?
that's the pilgrims
and yes

Agnostics don't believe in god.
It's dependent on what type of agnostic they are. They can believe in a god, though, but it may simply be a more ambiguous one. (At least from my understanding, it isn't impossible that I'm wrong)

Wasn't the first reason we came over to America was to freely practice our own religion?
That was one of, if not the biggest, reason.

If you look, it's the very first right stated in the Bill of Rights.

It's dependent on what type of agnostic they are. They can believe in a god, though, but it may simply be a more ambiguous one. (At least from my understanding, it isn't impossible that I'm wrong)

It's quite simply the position that the existence of gods can not be known. It is neither a belief (theist) or a disbelief (atheist).

And fun math:
A government/itself = the fall of a nation
so the fall of a nation = 1?

you all suck at math

who keeps submitting all these stupid ass bills?
people who get paid too much with our tax dollars