Big Brother's server - Q:How should votekick be used?

[Lugnut]

I was on Big Brother's ONE MAN ARMY / BOSS server earlier today, and BB was afk off in a corner. I was still loading datablocks, so I did not witness the first few times players were being spawnkilled by the Spy class and their butterfly knives.

TwenteFreak was trying to explain why the boss needs random spawns.

[11:04:03][TwenteFreak]: giro u suk
[11:04:22][Vampil]: I hit him at the start with a butterfly knife
[11:04:26][Vampil]: ;:D
[11:04:37][TwenteFreak]: That's why the boss needs random spawns
[11:04:46][TwenteFreak]: So cigarettes like you can't spawnkill him
[11:04:52][Vampil]: Lol
[11:04:56][Vampil]: Says the freak
[11:05:03][Vampil]: who doesn't scope
[11:05:07][Hoogle]: i wanna be spawnekilled

IkeTheGeneric, the resident admin, makes a new temporary rule.

[11:05:09][IkeTheGeneric]: Temporary server rule: Complaining gets you a kick

I then play troll for a second and state the following

[11:05:21][Lugnut1206]: Ike
[...]
[11:05:37][Lugnut1206]: Vampil and Hoogle and Twente are complaining
[11:05:39][Lugnut1206]: kick them please

Vampil and Hoogle then start acting totally confused, as they well should be as I was attempting to lighten the atmosphere

I was then kicked for complaining by Ike
No big deal, I had complained, rule was, no complaining.

[11:05:56][IkeTheGeneric]: He was complaining about you complaining
[11:05:58][Hoogle]: I was complimenting Ike's new rules which I like.
[11:05:59][TwenteFreak]: Oh and vampil is just being a dumbass
[11:06:02][Hoogle]: lol
[11:06:02][Lugnut1206]: thats what I figured
[11:06:06][Lugnut1206]: lol

>>>Vampil starts a votekick against TwenteFreak.

[11:06:13][Vampil]: Reason you think I am a dumbass, twente?
[11:06:13][IkeTheGeneric]: You complained about them complaining

I mention Hoogles drama about him exploiting votekick, as TwenteFreak explains why he hates Vampil.

[11:06:22][Lugnut1206]: hoogle, did you just have a drama about you exploiting votekick?
[11:06:27][TwenteFreak]: Because I think you're a dumbass
[11:06:28][TwenteFreak]: There
[11:06:29][Lugnut1206]: didn't you just*
[11:06:31][TwenteFreak]: Deal with it

Ike states the obvious,

[11:06:40][IkeTheGeneric]: There is a votekick enabled

and hoogle doesn't answer my question.

Meanwhile, Vampil and Twente are still arguing over Vampil spawnkilling Twente.

[11:06:45][Vampil]: That's not a reason, that just proves you don't know what you are talking about.

The votekick against Twente fails, and Twente starts a votekick against Vampil.

[11:07:05][Lugnut1206]: I'm wondering if Hoogle is the guy that had the drama about it
[11:07:14][Lugnut1206]: yes he is
[11:07:17][Vampil]: Twente doesn't have a reason to call me a dumbass so for no reason he just votekicks me.
[11:07:25][TwenteFreak]: Yeah

The votekick, for reasons I am unsure of, succeeds.

[11:07:25][Lugnut1206]: we'll wait untill he does something stupid
[11:07:28][TwenteFreak]: Deal with it
[11:07:33][Lugnut1206]: /no

>>>Vampil kicked for 5 minutes.

[11:07:37][TwenteFreak]: :)
[11:07:39][Lugnut1206]: That was gay.
[11:07:44][IkeTheGeneric]: CONSOLE?!?!/1?1?!?!

As expected, someone, in this case, Twente, jumps on me.

[11:07:46][TwenteFreak]: Are you complaining?
[11:07:54][IkeTheGeneric]: wat
[11:07:58][Lugnut1206]: I suppose not

I didn't feel like getting kicked again, less than three minutes from the last time, so I said no.

Nothing happens for nearly a minute and a half, an Vampil comes back (without dealing with the full ban time???).

[11:08:41][Hoogle]: wb vamp
[11:08:43][Lugnut1206]: WB Vampil
[11:08:48][Vampil]: Hm?
[11:08:49][TwenteFreak]: lol
[11:08:51][Hoogle]: welcome back
[11:08:54][Lugnut1206]: Welcome back

Vampil attempts revenge on Twente.

[11:09:11][TwenteFreak]: Hmm
[11:09:27][TwenteFreak]: This is just sad
[11:09:27][Hoogle]: /no, I'm against votekick abuse.
[11:09:27][Pecon7]: I have to see how much me server did and did not get ripped off =P
[11:09:28][::SpaceMan::]: Nooeh
[11:09:28][Vampil]: Not rage, just a payback from how you votekicked for no reason.

>>> Ike cancels the votekick.

[11:09:32][TwenteFreak]: It's rage
[11:09:35][IkeTheGeneric]: I unbanned you
[11:09:35][TwenteFreak]: You're mad
[11:09:45][Vampil]: mad?
[11:09:48][Vampil]: How?

I start piecing things together.

[11:10:10][Lugnut1206]: Let me get this straight
[11:10:20][Lugnut1206]: You just canceled a votekick...

>>>Ike creates a votekick against Twente.

[11:10:25][Lugnut1206]: now you;re making a new one

>>>Then cancels it.

[11:10:27][Vampil]: That's what you get.
[11:10:31][Lugnut1206]: Seriously?
[11:10:37][TwenteFreak]: heh
[11:10:38][IkeTheGeneric]: I canceled it

Vampil trys to argue his point.

[11:10:44][Vampil]: Saying I'm raging doesn't make up for your retartedness.
[11:10:55][Magibowser]: ^ lololo
[11:10:59][TwenteFreak]: I'm pretty sure you're mad

I try to back Vampil.

[11:11:13][Lugnut1206]: And I'm pretty sure you kicked him for little reason

[11 minutes during which nothing of interest happened, Twente seems to have left]

Arkal (The current boss) starts acting like a handicap.

[11:21:41][Arkal]: Wow, these guns are the same weapon damage as yours
[11:21:42][Arkal]: they suck
[11:21:51][Vampil]: Arkal
[11:21:53][Hoogle]: we don't have your health.
[11:21:58][Vampil]: To you, everything sucks.
[11:21:59][Paradon]: I WILL BE POPULAR HUEHUE
[11:22:03][Vampil]: Stop complaining.
[11:22:05][Arkal]: no it does not
[11:22:08][Paradon]: I'm diffrent ;-;
[11:22:10][Vampil]: Well, stop.
[11:22:10][Arkal]: You loving perv
[11:22:12][IkeTheGeneric]: NO COMPLAINING
[11:22:12][Arkal]: I do
[11:22:12][Paolo]: :OOO
[11:22:18][IkeTheGeneric]: WHATSOEVER
[11:22:20][Klarck]: wooo

Now the fun begins.

[11:23:04][Lugnut1206]: Is the boss afk?
[11:23:08][mouse droid21 (pepsi n)]: no
[11:23:10][Paolo]: :O
[11:23:11][Vampil]: WOW
[11:23:11][Hoogle]: woah sorry
[11:23:14][Hoogle]: sorry
[11:23:16][Lugnut1206]: Oh no, we just spawnkilled them.
[11:23:19][Lugnut1206]: Lovely.
[11:23:21][Hoogle]: I was putting the knife down to say
[11:23:37][Lugnut1206]: Wtf ike
[11:23:44][Hoogle]: I was putting the kife down to say there is a afk prevention in both places
[11:23:47][IkeTheGeneric]: Tell me why you kicked him
[11:23:49][Hoogle]: as soon as i did
[11:23:50][Hoogle]: he spawned.
[11:23:54][Lugnut1206]: Because he spawnkilled
[11:23:54][Vampil]: no rule against spawnkill
[11:23:56][Hoogle]: Ike they will say I spawnkilled them
[11:24:00][Hoogle]: (not technically spawnkill)
[11:24:00][Lugnut1206]: There should be.
[11:24:01][IkeTheGeneric]: No rule against it
[11:24:14][Lugnut1206]: then what is 'technically spawnkill'?
[11:24:15][Vampil]: LAG
[11:24:26][Ryo55]: An indirect spawnkill?
[11:24:26][IkeTheGeneric]: There is none, shut up
[11:24:26][Paolo]: OOOO
[11:24:27][Hoogle]: When you kill someone when they spawn
[11:24:31][Hoogle]: Not when they teleport lol
[11:24:46][Hoogle]: you should say
[11:24:49][Lugnut1206]: Thats a bullstuff technicality.
[11:24:52][Hoogle]: Hoogle SetPlayerTransformKilled!
[11:24:59][Bull Dog]: wat?
[11:25:00][Bull Dog]: lol
[11:25:00][Lugnut1206]: Good enough for me
[11:25:04][Lugnut1206]: Thats why we kicked him ike.
[11:25:09][Hoogle]: :)
[11:25:12][Bull Dog]: kicked who?
[11:25:16][Lugnut1206]: Because he killed the guy once he got into the kitchen.

TL;DR (I am not responsible for lack of clarity) - I attempt to votekick Hoogle for spawnkilling, Ike cancels vote and asks why I started it, I state I did because he spawnkilled, Hoogle argues that my kick is wrong because he didn't technically spawnkill him, he killed him after he chose his class and teleported in.

Arkal remains a handicap. Ike kicks.

[11:26:09][Arkal]: he just spades you hoogle
[11:26:10][Arkal]: See
[11:26:16][Arkal]: loving wimp/[ussy
[11:26:20][Arkal]: pusillanimous individual*
[11:26:32][Paolo]: DwdaEfijijgi;aowgjpoehjf;oijewofjw
[11:26:33][Magibowser]: Thanks
[11:26:39][Arkal]: O_O
[11:26:44][IkeTheGeneric]: I'm not sure you got my loving gist
[11:26:46][IkeTheGeneric]: NO COMPLAINING
[11:26:53][Hoogle]: Look I am sorry to everyone for not breaking a rule
[11:26:54][Arkal]: Im not complaining.
[11:26:56][Hoogle]: It won't happen again
[11:27:02][IkeTheGeneric]: hmm looks like you were

Arkal goes gone.

6 minutes later, Vampil spawnkills the boss... again.

[11:33:53][Vampil]: ganeral
[11:33:54][Magibowser]: If Bull Dog goes out, he's certainly killed
[11:34:01][Lugnut1206]: Spawn - in - kitchen killing <<< I state why I want him kicked, as per 'protocol'
[11:34:05][Vampil]: there's no rule against it
[11:34:08][Lugnut1206]: whatevber the forget you wanna [call it]
[11:34:12][Hoogle]: If your the boss get ready to run

>>>IkeTheGeneric cancels vote.

[11:34:13][Klarck]: but we want to kick you
[11:34:22][Hoogle]: 'we'
[11:34:32][Klarck]: well... i want to kick you
[11:34:33][Lugnut1206]: Implying eeveryone who voted yes.
[11:34:38][Lugnut1206]: and me.

Klarck appears on my side, Hoogle trolls, and Ike's blood pressure rises.

[11:34:38][Klarck]: you did the same for me
[11:34:41][Vampil]: I hit him 5 times
[11:34:49][Magibowser]: Burn bitch, BURN
[11:34:49][Vampil]: and klarck
[11:34:49][IkeTheGeneric]: Guys shut the forget up
[11:34:50][Hoogle]: If Im the boss I want you guys to try spawn kill me
[11:34:50][Lugnut1206]: Hit who five times?
[11:34:51][Klarck]: and its super handicapped and not cool
[11:34:51][Hoogle]: I like challenge
[11:34:54][IkeTheGeneric]: There's no rule against it

I attempt to argue why we should be able to votekick people we want gone.

[11:34:54][Lugnut1206]: Ike
[11:34:55][Vampil]: you spawnkilled too
[11:34:56][IkeTheGeneric]: THATS IT
[11:35:01][Lugnut1206]: We want to votekick them
[11:35:03][Klarck]: so what?
[11:35:06][Lugnut1206]: it doesn't matter if theres a rule
[11:35:07][IkeTheGeneric]: Good for you
[11:35:11][Klarck]: you did the same for me
[11:35:13][mouse droid21 (pepsi n)]: ms sam: hogole should i stfu?
[11:35:14][Magibowser]: IkeTheGeneric, plase finish anyone who is being a handicap or this will turn out like Pecon's server
[11:35:15][Klarck]: i want to do that too
[11:35:16][Vampil]: and?

I am then kicked by Ike, probably for complaining.

I return.

[11:37:31][Vampil]: Hello.
[11:37:36][Lugnut1206]: Hi.
[11:37:36][Vampil]: Having fun?
[11:37:40][Lugnut1206]: Not really.
[11:37:40][IkeTheGeneric]: Now quit it with your stuff

What stuff? Wanting to votekick people because I don't like the way they spawnkill people? Isn't that the purpose of the votekick mod?

[11:37:44][Lugnut1206]: But I'm not complaining.
[11:37:49][Vampil]: You were.
[11:37:55][Lugnut1206]: I suppose.
[11:37:59][Vampil]: You might aswell do it now too.
[11:38:03][Lugnut1206]: We'll let BB be the final deciding factor on that.
[11:38:12][Vampil]: big brother?
[11:38:15][Lugnut1206]: Yes.
[11:38:16][IkeTheGeneric]: For what?
[11:38:25][Vampil]: I'm sure he will understand you're just being an idiot.
[11:38:31][Lugnut1206]: Pretty much everything that just happened in the last half an hour.
[11:38:44][Vampil]: It will be your own ban
[11:38:47][Vampil]: Don't isk it
[11:38:53][Lugnut1206]: If he feels that way, fine. <As in, if he wants to ban me
[11:38:55][IkeTheGeneric]: Lugnut
[11:38:55][Vampil]: I might feel bad

Interestingly Ike, I'm not banned (last I checked).

Magibowser pulls out the simple phrases.

[11:39:02][IkeTheGeneric]: You have nothing going for you if you continue down this road
[11:39:14][Lugnut1206]: I will have stood up for what I felt was right, and if he disagrees, then this isn't the server for me.
[11:39:17][Magibowser]: Shut up, you
[11:39:23][Magibowser]: you're just digging yourself a deeper hole
[11:39:23][Vampil]: lol
[11:39:25][Lugnut1206]: Thats all there is too it.
[11:39:28][IkeTheGeneric]: You aren't right

I feel right, even if I'm not.

I have messaged BB over RTB, and I am now awaiting his responce, so I say, forget it, lets play.

[11:39:34][Lugnut1206]: Now, can we drop it temporarily?
[11:39:38][Lugnut1206]: and
[11:39:39][Lugnut1206]: I dunno
[11:39:40][IkeTheGeneric]: Just drop it completely
[11:39:40][Lugnut1206]: play?
[11:39:49][IkeTheGeneric]: Don'
[11:39:51][Vampil]: lugnut is suddenly scared
[11:39:53][Magibowser]: Why is everyone a magician?
[11:39:54][IkeTheGeneric]: Don't do that stuff at me
[11:40:04][IkeTheGeneric]: It's your own loving fault you got kicked <<< I'm missing the point here, I know it is my own fault. Can anyone clear this up?
[11:40:11][Vampil]: agreed
[11:40:16][Klarck]: look at me
[11:40:19][Lugnut1206]: What stuff at you?

Magibowser attempts to calm me down forcefully, when I'm not even angry.

[11:40:30][Magibowser]: Lugnut, calm your tits
[11:40:34][Hoogle]: ^
[11:40:37][Lugnut1206]: You do that
[11:40:43][Lugnut1206]: I'm done with it for now
[11:40:48][Klarck]: gtfo
[11:40:51][Vampil]: Lugnut
[11:40:57][Vampil]: Magi doesn't have to calm
[11:41:07][Vampil]: He isn't raging and trolling in the first place.
[11:42:01][Hoogle]: so laggeh :(
[11:42:10][Vampil]: Ike
[11:42:10][IkeTheGeneric]: A calm shades over the server. All is peaceful.

And indeed there was, for a good, what, three minutes? Then, out of the blue, as Ike is leaving, he bans me for forty minutes.

[11:44:50][Vampil]: Ike
[11:44:53][IkeTheGeneric]: Yes?
[11:44:57][Vampil]: Accept my friend request?
[11:45:05][IkeTheGeneric]: Didn't recieve one
[11:45:09][Vampil]: Oh
[11:45:14][Vampil]: Maybe it was the wrong guy
[11:45:16][Vampil]: lol
[11:45:28][IkeTheGeneric]: Sent one to you
[11:45:30][Vampil]: k
[11:45:37][Magibowser]: IMHO, bosses need more agility
 
>>>NOTE THIS LINE BY MAGIBOWSER
 
[11:45:40][Vampil]: Didn't recieve any
[11:45:48][IkeTheGeneric]: Then RTB must be having issues
[11:45:50][Vampil]: Weird.
[11:46:02][Magibowser]: FFFUUU
[11:46:09][IkeTheGeneric]: i need to go
[11:46:25][Lugnut1206]: Are you sure thats not your unhonest opinion?
 
>>>I reference said line in the sense of a lighthearted joke.
 
[11:46:36][Vampil]: What is
 
>>>Banned for 40 minutes. Reason: "yes i am"

My question to you, blockland forums, is not "omg ike is badass shud he be bnaned"
but instead are the following.

Q:Should votekick be used only for enforcing the rules, or should it also be used for keeping the server free of people who ruin the game for other people?
Q:Was Ikes final 40 minute ban just?\
Q:Should spawnkilling be allowed in this kind of gamemode, or even in any kind of game?

My responces, for whatever they're worth, for said questions are as follows.

A:It should be used for keeping the server fun and enjoyable for all players.
A:... I obviously feel it wasn't, as I had done nothing to provoke him or break the rules after the final bout.
A:Why should it?


FINALLY: Full unedited chatlogs are here.

Discuss, please.

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[Lugnut]

Another small note: I am well aware the server is Big Brothers, and whatever happens is his choice and his choice alone.

I'm thinking on a broader scale here.

[Custard]

you should have just left the server.

It's not functional; there's corruption in the administrative force, and the people are barbaric.

[Lugnut]

I would have, except that the server is good. I just don't like these two policies.
Namely,
IkeTheGeneric
And an inability to use votekick.

[Hoogle]

I'm sorry but the admin specifically said there was no rule against that. Why are you trying to enforce a rule on another server. You may find it fairer ect but it doesn't happen to be a rule there so I don't know why you are getting annoyed when it was explained.

The reason Ike was cancelling the votekicks was because people tried to votekick those who didn't break a rule (a server rule not a personally imposed rule)

Custard there is no corruption in the administrative force. Ike was enforcing the rules of the server it's not his fault you two disagree with the rules but he was not being corrupt.

Personally I am all for any type of kill. In my games I allow spawnkills,ect. However I do make it very hard to actually spawnkill in my games, but if a player manages it, good job. However just because that is my personal rules I don't feel I should enforce it on other peoples servers and neither should you.

As to your questions about my drama I never saw those.

[Custard]

Democracy is extremely inefficient in a utilitarian environment, where function is more important than opinions.

In the case of server administration, as well as the corporate life, utilitarian dictatorships are the most efficient, where the leader controls all aspects but makes sure the environment is functioning.

Oligarchic servers with many admins should also use this type of governance, but in the form of Oligarchic Utilitarianism, where the admins base their decisions off of functions and rules.

In other words, lets pull democracy and opinions out of this situation.

[Lugnut]

I'm sorry but the admin specifically said there was no rule against that. Why are you trying to enforce a rule on another server. You may find it fairer ect but it doesn't happen to be a rule there so I don't know why you are getting annoyed when it was explained.¹

The reason Ike was cancelling the votekicks was because people tried to votekick those who didn't break a rule (a server rule not a personally imposed rule)

Custard there is no corruption in the administrative force. Ike was enforcing the rules of the server it's not his fault you two disagree with the rules but he was not being corrupt.

Personally I am all for any type of kill. In my games I allow spawnkills,ect. However I do make it very hard to actually spawnkill in my games,² but if a player manages it, good job. However just because that is my personal rules I don't feel I should enforce it on other peoples servers and neither should you.

As to your questions about my drama I never saw those.

1:I wasn't trying to enforce a rule, or backseat admin, I was trying to keep the game fun, utilizing votekick as it was my only way of doing so.
2:Granted, and I agree completely. If it's a pain in the ass to spawnkill, let them do it! But when the spawn is on the ground in a wide open field where anyone can get to it and spawnkill easily, I disagree with allowing it.

[IkeTheGeneric]

You tried to enforce a nonexistent rule and I kicked you for being a pain in the ass, same reason for the forty-minute ban.

gg though, trying to make me look bad and all.

[Doomonkey]

The real problem with the server is that votekick even exists in the first place.

[IkeTheGeneric]

The real problem with the server is that votekick even exists in the first place.

Same problem here. I hate votekick with a firy passion. I canceled every votekick that was made without reason, and I started and canceled a votekick on twente as a joke because he said "votekick me" or something.

[Chrono]

Q:Should votekick be used only for enforcing the rules, or should it also be used for keeping the server free of people who ruin the game for other people?

There shouldn't be a need for votekick when you can just remove the problem entirely. For example, not sticking some spawn in some open area on the kitchen floor. But seeing how this problem wasn't looked into and votekick was there, votekicking spawnkillers in this kind of game mode seems justified.

Q:Was Ikes final 40 minute ban just?\

No.

Q:Should spawnkilling be allowed in this kind of gamemode, or even in any kind of game?

It's fine in some cases, but not for this game mode. I put all the blame on these stuffty class selection things.

You tried to enforce a nonexistent rule and I kicked you for being a pain in the ass, same reason for the forty-minute ban.

gg though, trying to make me look bad and all.

Sorry that he's trying to do something for the server. Make it more enjoyable for the community. Which you seemed to fail at.

[Lugnut]

So you're telling me that enforcing having fun on the server is not allowed?

You could've fooled me with the 40 minute ban, seeing as you did it
A:as you were leaving
B:with a reason responding to a sentance not being said to you
C: Spontaneously after no one was having a problem.

[IkeTheGeneric]

So you're telling me that enforcing having fun on the server is not allowed?

You shouldn't have been enforcing anything. I didn't ban you because you were trying to enforce it you idiot. You had to make such a big deal out of other people disagreeing that I kicked and eventually banned you for being an annoying forgetass. The spawn-camping problem was fixed recently, also.

[Lugnut]

You shouldn't have been enforcing anything.¹ I didn't ban you because you were trying to enforce it you idiot. You had to make such a big deal out of other people disagreeing² that I kicked and eventually banned you for being an annoying forgetass. The spawn-camping problem was fixed recently, also.³

1:Then what was I supposed to do? Let the server go down the crapper? Allow my experience to be ruined? Leave? I had no reason to leave except the spawnkilling issue.
2:It was kind of my own disagreement, not other peoples.
3:No, actually, it wasn't. All BB did is dupe the spawns, and didn't make any randomizer or anything. The boss always spawns on the southernmost plate.

I would offer to help creating a randomizer that actually works, but since BB

[13:24:14][Big Brother]: need buildersss
[13:24:19][Lugnut1206]: I can event
[13:24:22][Big Brother]: not helpful
[13:24:24][Lugnut1206]: but I can also build

I'm not going to offer my services to a server that doesn't want them.

[IkeTheGeneric]

1:Then what was I supposed to do? Let the server go down the crapper? Allow my experience to be ruined? Leave? I had no reason to leave except the spawnkilling issue.

Except that it only happened at least four times, and not in a row either. Unless it was one guy constantly spawnkilling (vampil only did it twice, and stopped when I asked him to), anyone who would have actually been doing something wrong and doing what you exaggerated, they would have been kicked and or banned.

2:It was kind of my own disagreement, not other peoples.

You kept trying to enforce 'no spawnkilling' as a rule, whilst other people (whom I admit the majority of were trying to or have been spawnkilling) disagreed with you. It may be to my faulty memory, but I do recall you throwing what appeared to be a tantrum when people disagreed.

Or was that Klarck that was making such a big deal out of it?

3:No, actually, it wasn't. All BB did is dupe the spawns, and didn't make any randomizer or anything. The boss always spawns on the southernmost plate.

I'll talk to him about it. I don't think less of you because you tried to enforce a rule against something that appeared to be a problem, I just got annoyed by you and Klarck when you were votekicking people and decided to provide a reason after I canceled it.