A thread about religion and non-religion

[Daedalus]

Give this a read: http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm

See, I used to coin myself as an Agnostic as well, until I read more into it.

Can I get a tl;dr? I'm doing homework xD

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[Night Fox]

I disagree with a lot of major religion's beliefs, but I also don't think that it's very likely at all that the universe could have ended up this way all by itself
the chance that you exist, meaning you as an individual, is so ridiculously low just because of all the possible gene combinations and that your exact bloodline would have had to continue in the very specific way that it did to get you here that it could very easily be considered that there is no chance that you could exist
so adding the chances of the universe, galaxy, solar system, and planet forming the way they did makes it ABSOLUTELY INSANE
I think that there is something that made everything
is it a god? I don't know
I don't know what there is
there's only one way to know, and at that point, you're dead
but the God isn't my god, he supposedly intervened with his people after they were created
whatever I believe in, I think he made the universe, and then let it continue on its own from the very start

[Skele]

Can I get a tl;dr? I'm doing homework xD

We'll I've been trying to explain it, but the author explains it better. Here's a quote, perhaps it's sufficient:

Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes evident that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god exhaust all of the possibilities. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.

Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism.

[Count]

One thing that always crosses my mind is why does everything on earth fit together, and is not in total chaos?

[Daedalus]

We'll I've been trying to explain it, but the author explains it better. Here's a quote, perhaps it's sufficient:

Right, and I'm neither agnostic atheist nor agnostic theist.

[Clone v.117]

One thing that always crosses my mind is why does everything on earth fit together, and is not in total chaos?

Things like this, also just why is everything how it is at all? Why aren't our lifeforms able to fly? Why is it that gravity pulls us down and why arent clouds fire balls that shoot around blasting lasers?
Why are our laws of physics the way they are so that things don't just crumble and die.
You could say like "oh gravity pulls us down because we are attracted to large objects" but why is it like that, what caused us to be attracted to things at all, why does everything make sense instead of just random stuff.

[Skele]

One thing that always crosses my mind is why does everything on earth fit together, and is not in total chaos?

Probably the millions of years of the things not fitting together being weeded out due to incompatibility? Everything else had to conform to their environments or otherwise meet the same fate. That's my guess at least.

[Skele]

Right, and I'm neither agnostic atheist nor agnostic theist.

Here's another quote from one of the articles titled, "What is Agnosticism?"

Obviously, if theism is a belief in a God and atheism is a lack of a belief in a God, no third position or middle ground is possible. A person can either believe or not believe in a God. Therefore, our previous definition of atheism has made an impossibility out of the common usage of agnosticism to mean “neither affirming nor denying a belief in God.”

[Daedalus]

Here's another quote from one of the articles titled, "What is Agnosticism?"

That quote is false.
A third position is definitely possible.
I believe in knowledge. We have no knowledge of either side being true.

[Skele]

That quote is false.
A third position is definitely possible.
I believe in knowledge. We have no knowledge of either side being true.

Thus agnosticism is not an alternative, “third way” going between atheism and theism: it is instead a separate issue compatible with both.

[Bisjac]

aliens put us here :D

[Daedalus]

Okay, I can accept that - but I do not lean towards atheism or theism.

[Night Fox]

aliens put us here :D

that's definitely possible if you ask me
where did the aliens come from though?

[Böltster]

We have no knowledge of either side being true.

And we never will. theistic religion is infallible.

[Daedalus]

that's definitely possible if you ask me
where did the aliens come from though?

this, aliens could be possible too, there's no evidence AGAINST it

And we never will. theistic religion is infallible.

yes :D unless a deity shows themselves