Author Topic: Is Evolution a Scientific Law, Theory, or both?  (Read 7465 times)

Nobody should follow something blindly; Science is not exempt from this. The difference between the science of Evolution and the "Science" of Intelligent Design is that Evolution came from evidence that formed into a conclusion, and ID is a conclusion pseudoscientists are twisting facts to try and "prove."

Electrk is a loving dumbass and an example of why science needs to be taught better in schools.

The terms, "Theory" and "Scientific Law" have incredibly specific definitions. A theory is an explanation to a fact/observation. A law is an observation found in nature that is always found true within nature.

Theories don't, "graduate" into scientific laws, and laws are in no way, "better" or, "more true" then a theory.

How the forget did you guys pass your elementary school science programs?
Evolution is not a scientific law nor will it ever be. The very premise of evolution is an explanation in itself which violates the criteria for a, "scientific law".
this is the only time I'm going to quote due to pageloss but this is loving important.

The thing is, Evolution has been seen naturally as well as scientifically.

http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html#speciation

Evolution is constantly proved as more data comes in from natural observations. Even those not trying to prove or disprove Evolution.

The big bang theory (remember that word) seems to keep changing, I have seen many a point from scientists over the years about it and every time it is something new.

First it was when there was nothing, no universe or anything, but there were two particles there (because magic) and they collided and made the universe.

Second it was that the universe was once a compressed form of infinite mass (where it was, how it got there, why or how infinite mass even exists i know not) but yeah then it made a universe too.

Thirdly (I saw this in some documentary bullstuff) instead of god creating it it was a god particle, yeah get that, apparently the universe was made by a "god particle" that was all particles at once and could do and be anything.

I don't listen to that stuff anymore.

I don't know what happens in your head and frankly I don't really want to know.

I don't believe in Evolution. I accept it as a valid scientific theory, and possibly a law. The scientific definition for "Theory" does not imply uncertainty. "Believe", however, does. Intelligent Design is simply the Bible's creation myth being attempted indoctrinated into society. Intelligent Design is no more valid then all the other hundreds of religious creation myths.

There is immense proof towards Evolution as a theory, and now a law. To deny it has enough proof is nothing short of ignorance.
To believe in something just means you think of it as true. The word "belief" doesn't only apply to things that may or may not be true. Believe doesn't imply uncertainty, it implies the opposite, belief says that you have confidence in somethings truth.
     I have never found any "evidence" of evolution that is good enough to prove it as fact. There are somethings that might support it in a minor way, and there are other things that don't help the theory at all. Other than that, I have found nothing as far as proof goes.

That is macro evolution. They are one in the same: Evolutionary change above the species level. Some more proof:
I define micro-evolution differently. I define it as changing from one kind of animal to another, and that has never happened as far as people have observed. You can't look at something like that, happening at a small scale, and just assume it happens at a large scale too, that's not fact, that's a belief.

People follow scientific speak blindly, people do research and follow it intellectually.
People follow religion blindly, people do research and follow it intellectually.
Nobody should follow something blindly; Science is not exempt from this.
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I don't know what happens in your head and frankly I don't really want to know.
the purple elefants telld me to drink the dishwashing detergants

Am I following science blindly if I listen to many experts that all have the same conclusion on a matter instead of going off into a lab and doing it myself? There's no way to not follow religion blindly, there is no evidence for anything in a religious belief.

Am I following science blindly if I listen to many experts that all have the same conclusion on a matter instead of going off into a lab and doing it myself?
I didn't say you were following it blindly, I'm just saying that some people do follow science blindly, and that not all religious people do.

The big bang theory (remember that word) seems to keep changing, I have seen many a point from scientists over the years about it and every time it is something new.

First it was when there was nothing, no universe or anything, but there were two particles there (because magic) and they collided and made the universe.

Second it was that the universe was once a compressed form of infinite mass (where it was, how it got there, why or how infinite mass even exists i know not) but yeah then it made a universe too.

Thirdly (I saw this in some documentary bullstuff) instead of god creating it it was a god particle, yeah get that, apparently the universe was made by a "god particle" that was all particles at once and could do and be anything.

I don't listen to that stuff anymore.
You're horribly misinformed not only in your knowledge of terminology but in even the most basic concepts of what the big bang theory is based upon.

The thing is, Evolution has been seen naturally as well as scientifically.

http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html#speciation

Evolution is constantly proved as more data comes in from natural observations. Even those not trying to prove or disprove Evolution.
Point is, it's an explanation to the phenomena.

It doesn't matter anyway, it's a theory that has colossal amounts of evidence supporting it so it's not even worth it to argue over its label.

    I have never found any "evidence" of evolution that is good enough to prove it as fact. There are somethings that might support it in a minor way, and there are other things that don't help the theory at all. Other than that, I have found nothing as far as proof goes

There is so much research about this subject that you have either never attempted to research it, or you're full of stuff. Considering almost every public school does a unit on natural selection, I think you're the former.

Here's some research:
http://www.biology-online.org/2/11_natural_selection.htm
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/Moths/moths.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25

You're horribly misinformed not only in your knowledge of terminology but in even the most basic concepts of what the big bang theory is based upon.
I don't know what happens in your head and frankly I don't really want to know.
Like I said before that is my point, I don't believe any of that stuff and find it quite funny, what I am trying to say is that everywhere I hear about the big bang theory it has completely changed and that the people that have been saying the three quotes I made are the ones who are stupid.
I fail to see why it is bad, I listed off the stupidest "causes" of the big bang I have heard over the years, all of those words are from other people not myself.

There is so much stupid in this tread.

Quote from: bisjac
a hypothesis is an educated guess.
a theory is when you have the support of data
a fact is when you can use that data to reproduce the theory at will

gravity is a theory because we simply cant build a planet and test it in controlled studies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_evolution

I define micro-evolution differently. I define it as changing from one kind of animal to another, and that has never happened as far as people have observed.
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Have you even clicked on the links I posted?

To believe in something just means you think of it as true. The word "belief" doesn't only apply to things that may or may not be true. Believe doesn't imply uncertainty, it implies the opposite, belief says that you have confidence in somethings truth.
Am I following science blindly if I listen to many experts that all have the same conclusion on a matter instead of going off into a lab and doing it myself? There's no way to not follow religion blindly, there is no evidence for anything in a religious belief.

I didn't say you were following it blindly, I'm just saying that some people do follow science blindly, and that not all religious people do.
All religious people follow their beliefs blindly. You are ignoring everything I have said and continue to go on about how "belief" has the slightest to do with legitimate science. Well, it's not. You can believe an invisible sky person whipped up everything in 7 days; go ahead. But it is by far one of the dumbest attempts to explain creation in existence. Same with all the other creation myths, which have no more substance behind them then yours.

The bible is filled with inconsistencies and stupid ideas that have long ago been proven false. It was written 2000 years ago, when humans were in their infancy. It is in no way to be taken seriously at this point in time; we have scientifically progressed far too much.

Like I said before that is my point, I don't believe any of that stuff and find it quite funny, what I am trying to say is that everywhere I hear about the big bang theory it has completely changed and that the people that have been saying the three quotes I made are the ones who are stupid.
Dude, one of the biggest pros of the scientific process is that you can easily modify your hypothesis or experimental constants to adjust to new information.

It doesn't even take belief to understand concepts like the big bang theory and evolution.

The big bang theory is significantly more complicated to grasp than evolution. Go research the cosmic microwave background.

Like I said before that is my point, I don't believe any of that stuff and find it quite funny, what I am trying to say is that everywhere I hear about the big bang theory it has completely changed and that the people that have been saying the three quotes I made are the ones who are stupid.

Nah, you shrugged the big bang theory off as stupid when it has involved years of study and is pretty accurate now. I'm not cosmologist or astrophysicist but I have a basic understanding of it. Concentrated point of energy > Big bang > All the matter in the universe is created, as well as time > Galaxies are still expanding outwards to this day.



It's a theory because we haven't been able to extensively test it. Humans simply don't have the technology to create little big bangs.

To the creation-tards in this thread: We can trace ancestry back to the origins of life. See this image:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?3dytt54qptaqy7i

If you still deny evolution in favor of handicapped religious beliefs, there is no help for you.