Author Topic: Is Evolution a Scientific Law, Theory, or both?  (Read 7492 times)

It's a theory because we haven't been able to extensively test it. Humans simply don't have the technology to create little big bangs.
that's not why it's a theory and that's not what a theory is.

that's not why it's a theory and that's not what a theory is.

Like I said I only have a basic understanding of this stuff.

Here's some research:
http://www.biology-online.org/2/11_natural_selection.htm
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/Moths/moths.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_25
The finch is just micro evolution. It's still a finch, nothing has ever been seen to change from one kind of animal to another.
The peppered moth would be in the same boat, but I've also heard that the whole experiment was a hoax (but I have nothing to back that up)
The third is the same as well. I do believe that animals change and can vary some. Like dogs, there are a variety of dogs and I wouldn't argue they the wolf dog and coyote all had a similar ancestor. But that's because they're all the same kind of animal. Dogs have never been observed to produce a non-dog type animal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_evolution
sorry but I don't really want to go through that entire article and try to refute every point in it. That would just take way too long, lol

Have you even clicked on the links I posted?
I did click on the link. I don't think it was good evidence.
All religious people follow their beliefs blindly. You are ignoring everything I have said and continue to go on about how "belief" has the slightest to do with legitimate science. Well, it's not. You can believe an invisible sky person whipped up everything in 7 days; go ahead. But it is by far one of the dumbest attempts to explain creation in existence. Same with all the other creation myths, which have no more substance behind them then yours.
Well no offense, but that just tells me you're a little close minded.
The bible is filled with inconsistencies and stupid ideas that have long ago been proven false. It was written 2000 years ago, when humans were in their infancy. It is in no way to be taken seriously at this point in time; we have scientifically progressed far too much.
I have yet to see any of those things proven. I haven't seen any inconsistencies, and I personally take it seriously.
To the creation-tards in this thread: We can trace ancestry back to the origins of life. See this image:

http://www.mediafire.com/i/?3dytt54qptaqy7i

If you still deny evolution in favor of handicapped religious beliefs, there is no help for you.
I don't really know what I'm looking at..?

The finch is just micro evolution. It's still a finch, nothing has ever been seen to change from one kind of animal to another.
The peppered moth would be in the same boat, but I've also heard that the whole experiment was a hoax (but I have nothing to back that up
We've, "seen" that animals have changed from one kind to another through things such as fossils.

You don't need to physically see something to believe it. You need proof. Fossils are proof.

By your logic because you didn't see the events of the bible unfold, they are false.

but I've also heard that the whole experiment was a hoax (but I have nothing to back that up
Then shut the forget up. Thanks for creating a completely redundant sentence!

and I personally take it seriously.
I personally think you're a dumbass which I've observed through your responses in this thread.

I don't really know what I'm looking at..?

Which is precisely why you should stop posting and accept you can't win here.

Well no offense, but that just tells me you're a little close minded.

Didn't Boltster already go over this?

Which is precisely why you should stop posting and accept you can't win here.
Yeah seriously Mysteroo has no loving idea what he's talking about and he should probably stop talking and enroll in summer school to retake Science.

Nah, you shrugged the big bang theory off as stupid when it has involved years of study and is pretty accurate now. I'm not cosmologist or astrophysicist but I have a basic understanding of it. Concentrated point of energy > Big bang > All the matter in the universe is created, as well as time > Galaxies are still expanding outwards to this day.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Universe_expansion2.png[/img

It's a theory because we haven't been able to extensively test it. Humans simply don't have the technology to create little big bangs.
What? No?
My entire post was to show how different people talking about the big bang theory all had different ideas of how it occurred...
I didn't say I disregarded it or anything like that...

Granted I don't believe it but being myself I don't believe in anything, could not give less forgets about where we come from.

Also at the last part there was that experiment a year or so back where these people tried to create a miniature big bang with some sort of super collidermagigers which will apparently take 10 years to brown townyse all the data and see if anything actually happened, my guess is that nothing happened and that in a few years a group of scientists are going to hate their lives, lol.
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Mysteroo are you loving kidding me right now?

sorry but I don't really want to go through that entire article and try to refute every point in it. That would just take way too long, lol

You mean you wouldn't be able to refute any of it.

I did click on the link. I don't think it was good evidence.

How was it not good evidence? Because you don't understand it?

Well no offense, but that just tells me you're a little close minded.

Refusing to try to understand provided evidence just because you're afraid it will conflict with your beliefs is the definition of closed minded.

I don't really know what I'm looking at..?

It's a visual representation of all of the major lifeforms in the animal kingdom traced back to a single common ancestor. All of this is backed up by genetics.

Well no offense, but that just tells me you're a little close minded..

I'm close-minded? You're the one who says that you're right, everyone else is wrong, and you won't listen to any evidence. If anything youre the close minded one.

Dogs have never been observed to produce a non-dog type animal.
That's because that's not at all how evolution works.

Are you mentally handicapped? Because it feels like you've never even taken a single science class.

I want you to define evolution for me so that I can get a perspective on what you actually understand about the subject.

Boltster posted this in one of the last religion vs. science threads when someone pulled the close-minded card. I think Mysteroo saw it last time but just to make sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Science will prevail because it's the only way to learn and solve problems that actually works.

The computer you're typing on is made of math and science. Without the scientific process the device you use to talk to us would not exist.

We've, "seen" that animals have changed from one kind to another through things such as fossils.
I've never fully understood the fossil argument, fossils don't seem to prove anything. The only thing fossils show is that an animal that used to exist looked like this and it died. Just because they're similar doesn't mean they had a common ancestor, that could just as easily be proof for a common designer. If it's a good design why not reuse it in another animal?

Then shut the forget up. Thanks for creating a completely redundant sentence!
Hey I was just mentioning what I heard, not that big a deal.

Which is precisely why you should stop posting and accept you can't win here.
Sorry, I think I phrased that wrong. I meant, what is it? What's the argument here? If it's some sort of alternative way of drawing the Geologic time scale, that doesn't help the argument much. The Geologic time scale doesn't have any proof either. If you dig down, as people have, it doesn't correlate with the column. However, some say it does and some say it just doesn't. And as long as people are debating about it and I can't go and dig myself to see who's right, I can't take the geologic time scale as fact.

Didn't Boltster already go over this?
I don't know, I forget. But I'm not saying that it's fact that he's close minded, there's a good chance he's not. But when he says religion is wrong and everything about it is wrong and nothing will ever prove otherwise, that sounds a little close minded.

How was it not good evidence? Because you don't understand it?
no, because nothing has ever been observed to change into a different kind of animal. Changing to another species is fact, that happens all the times in dogs. But if you have proof that something can produce something else totally different, a different kind of animal, that would be evidence.

It's a visual representation of all of the major lifeforms in the animal kingdom traced back to a single common ancestor. All of this is backed up by genetics.
Oh ok, so I'm assuming it's the geologic time scale? Sorry, I haven't seen it illustrated that way before. I usually just see it in a graph or chart or something

I want you to define evolution for me so that I can get a perspective on what you actually understand about the subject.
My understanding of it, is that through natural selection organisms have gradually changed from one type of organism to another starting with whatever was produced by the primordial soup eventually leading to the diversity we have today. And that would require organisms to change from one kind of animal to another over time. But from what we have observed, that has never happened.

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