Author Topic: Is Evolution a Scientific Law, Theory, or both?  (Read 7400 times)

I've never fully understood the fossil argument, fossils don't seem to prove anything. The only thing fossils show is that an animal that used to exist looked like this and it died. Just because they're similar doesn't mean they had a common ancestor, that could just as easily be proof for a common designer. If it's a good design why not reuse it in another animal?


no, because nothing has ever been observed to change into a different kind of animal. Changing to another species is fact, that happens all the times in dogs. But if you have proof that something can produce something else totally different, a different kind of animal, that would be evidence.
This is so stupid. Did you ever take a science class or did you just go to bible school? Fossils have easily been evidence; not accepting the research behind it does not make it false, it makes you stupid. Also, morphing into other animals before our eyes is not Evolution. You don't even know what you're talking about.

My understanding of it, is that through natural selection organisms have gradually changed from one type of organism to another starting with whatever was produced by the primordial soup eventually leading to the diversity we have today. And that would require organisms to change from one kind of animal to another over time. But from what we have observed, that has never happened.

Of course it hasn't been observed, it happens over a period of time too long for direct observation. We do have genetic and fossil records that can trace the changes.

This is so stupid. Did you ever take a science class or did you just go to bible school?
Since it's been asked a few times now, yes I have. And I've Aced all of them so far.

Of course it hasn't been observed, it happens over a period of time too long for direct observation. We do have genetic and fossil records that can trace the changes.
But the fossils don't prove that any change has happened. That's why there's so many missing links.

Science will prevail because it's the only way to learn and solve problems that actually works.

The computer you're typing on is made of math and science. Without the scientific process the device you use to talk to us would not exist.
Well obviously there are different types of sciences for starters lol.

(keep in mind I am both not religious and drunk as I type this(also if you respond i will probably already be ing bed lol) The reason religion (christianity specifically) can still be argued about is because it is impossible to be proven wrong, if one has enough faith they can and will defer any possible argument. For example, you could say that science has created so many things like technology and medicines that heal people where prayer does not, but then you could say that technology and medicine is gods way of answering those prayers and making treatment available.

I really don't see why people still argue over science and religion, neither can (as of now) be proven right or wrong so there is no point even talking about it.

Evolution is a scientific THEORY. A scientific THEORY is a FACT that has been PROVEN with SCIENCE.  Evolution is not a hypotheses, it is not a guess. Fossils help prove evolution because there are a lot of them showing the evolution of an animal over time. Animals have been seen turning into different animals, that's called speciation. From what we have observed, animals become different animals because the animals less suited for survival have less offspring than those who are better suited.

I really don't see why people still argue over science and religion, neither can (as of now) be proven right or wrong so there is no point even talking about it.

This argument is about evolution. It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of willful ignorance on the part of the creationists.

The big bang theory (remember that word) seems to keep changing, I have seen many a point from scientists over the years about it and every time it is something new.
I would be more worried if it didn't. Theories that change show the we know more about them now than before. If scientific theories didn't change it would simply show that we are not discovering anything new.

I've never fully understood the fossil argument, fossils don't seem to prove anything. The only thing fossils show is that an animal that used to exist looked like this and it died. Just because they're similar doesn't mean they had a common ancestor, that could just as easily be proof for a common designer. If it's a good design why not reuse it in another animal?
If we've observed changes in animals that inherit genes related to their appearance, it's completely logical to infer that a fossil of an animal with the same traits is an ancestor.

At least it makes more sense than a bearded dude created it. It has proof too.

Hey I was just mentioning what I heard, not that big a deal.
It's a big deal because no one gives a stuff if you can't prove something.

If it's some sort of alternative way of drawing the Geologic time scale, that doesn't help the argument much. The Geologic time scale doesn't have any proof either. If you dig down, as people have, it doesn't correlate with the column. However, some say it does and some say it just doesn't. And as long as people are debating about it and I can't go and dig myself to see who's right, I can't take the geologic time scale as fact.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/relativist-fallacy.html

Dumbass.

no, because nothing has ever been observed to change into a different kind of animal. Changing to another species is fact, that happens all the times in dogs. But if you have proof that something can produce something else totally different, a different kind of animal, that would be evidence.
Your stupidity is showing blatantly.

1. Dogs don't change species. Canis Lupis IS a species.

2. Things change to different kinds of animals all the time. The peppered moth is an example. Just because it didn't change into a different species doesn't matter. stuff like that doesn't happen in a period of 50 years and natural selection doesn't imply that it does.

My understanding of it, is that through natural selection organisms have gradually changed from one type of organism to another starting with whatever was produced by the primordial soup eventually leading to the diversity we have today. And that would require organisms to change from one kind of animal to another over time. But from what we have observed, that has never happened.
That's not how natural selection occurs at all.

Re-read my link or shut the forget up.

You have literally no idea what you're talking about and you're spouting the same incorrect jargen since you entered the thread. Read the loving link I sent to you about natural selection and then summarize it for me, or just shut the forget up.

This argument is about evolution. It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of willful ignorance on the part of the creationists.
I wasn't talking about evolution specifically but I guess you could take it that way. (i mean the thread is about it lol)
I would be more worried if it didn't. Theories that change show the we know more about them now than before. If scientific theories didn't change it would simply show that we are not discovering anything new.
But how can you have any confidence in something that is ever changing? How can you feel secure when suddenly everything about evolution and whatnot could suddenly be realized to have gone a whole nother direction and be very different to what you have believed all along.

But the fossils don't prove that any change has happened. That's why there's so many missing links.
Every time a new fossil is discovered that matches the genetic model, suddenly there's a new "missing link". The way this argument works is futile because there always will be a gap of some sort, we just keep shrinking it constantly.

Mysteroo should just leave this thread at this point.

Since Mysteroo keeps pulling the whole relativist fallacy and, "it's not proven" argument without actually citing anything, I propose we turn the tables on him.

Prove your god exists and that the bible is fact.

Prove your god exists and that the bible is fact.

I WONDER WHAT FAITH IS

Prove your god exists and that the bible is fact.
This isn't an argument about religion, it's about theories of how species came to be. You're getting a bit off-topic.

Prove your god exists and that the bible is fact.

hurr durr profe he dosnt lol