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Gay marriage: Are you for it?

Yes
102 (69.4%)
No
25 (17%)
Indifferent
20 (13.6%)

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America is atheist. The law should in no way take into account any sort of religion or religious laws, or religious texts such as the bible. This is why the Separation of Church and State exists - everyone is free to believe what they want but the law should be impartial. Influenced in no way by religion. I'm sure there's a better word than atheist but I can't remember it.
The proper term is secular

Federal marriages DO NOT have to be recognized by a religion to be legitimate. You with me on this? Federal. Government. Not religious. Religion does not enter the equation because it is NOT A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY BEING PERFORMED. Still with me? Good.

there is no such thing as a federal marriage. lol. this proves right here that you dont know what you are talking about.
the federal side deals with taxes and insurance rights. nothing special

the state side is where the laws apply and where the debate over change is done.
its all a state thing. thats is why some states have it and some dont. because in america, we encourage the split of politics, so every type of person can have a little bit of everything. that is the benefit of the state system.


America is not atheist.... America is known as the "Great melting pot" for a reason because its everything in one.

I'm not talking about demographics at all.
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federal: Having or relating to a system of government in which several states form a unity but remain independent in internal affairs.
You're the one who has no idea what you're talking about.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 07:12:23 PM by Dusty12 »

I'm not talking about demographics at all.
You clearly missed what I was saying.

You at first was implying we are all atheist and I was saying that there is more than just atheist in America.

I never implied that all.

Oh, no, it's second-class citizenship. 'Blasphemy' (as defined as: The act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.) shouldn't even come into the equation because religion has zero place in the American government. There are laws (separation of church and state - for good reason) specifically prohibiting the kind of bullstuff you're blabbering about from being taken into consideration. Also, once again, federal marriage =! religious marriage. If you can't grasp this concept, I'm not even going to bother you.

Federal marriage is simply the federal government's recognition and encouragement of a religious institution. A civil union is a strictly legal, secular affair that doesn't offer incentives to promote childbearing, since yknow, gay couples can't reproduce naturally.

Here's something for you to think on: Why is it, when two atheists are married, it's referred to as 'marriage'? That's offensive to all the western religious folk! They don't believe in God, how dare they take part in a FEDERAL, GOVERNMENTAL, NON-RELIGIOUS ceremony? Marriage may have been a religious thing in the past but it is no longer.

When two atheist heteroloveuals are married, they still have the same capacity to produce children that the government incentives pay for. They're also a man and a woman, which to Christianity makes it legitimate and unoffensive, regardless of their religious beliefs, since intercourse within wedlock is always preferable than without.

Welcome to why 'civil unions' are born from nothing but intolerance. Muslims can get married here, and atheists, and all these non-Christians and it's marriage but because gay people want to get married they have to call it something entirely different because gay people aren't 'good enough'. That's the only reason. Refer to the brown townogy regarding white/black fountains and you'll understand just how you're coming off. "Why are you complaining that you get a colored-folk only restroom? It's just the same as the white restroom! Get over it! It's offensive to white people!"

Marriage is the religious recognition of the union between a man and a woman. No matter who the two people involved in it are, as long as they're capable of producing healthy offspring together, it satisfies the prerequisites of nearly every religion out there. You can't compare resistance to gay marriage to Jim Crowe laws, not only are the two laughably in congruent, but it's tremendously offensive and belittling black rights activists.

Also, for the last loving time - IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING RECOGNIZED BY A RELIGION. Federal marriages DO NOT have to be recognized by a religion to be legitimate. You with me on this? Federal. Government. Not religious. Religion does not enter the equation because it is NOT A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY BEING PERFORMED. Still with me? Good.

You can straw man my argument all you like, but the fact remains that there is a separate term for it because marriage is a religious institution. If you really want to posit a legitimate rebuttal, try coming up with reasons as to why gays require financial encouragement on behalf of the federal government to produce offspring, when homoloveual couples are biologically incapable of producing children on their own.


The purpose of marriage has been to construct family units, since it's inception. In the Bible and the Quran, the whole reason for the unity between a man and a woman is to produce and raise offspring. Gay couples can't do that. There is no reason for gay couples to need marriage anyways, it's an indulgence of hedonistic behavior that wants legal recognition and recently, pines for free money from the federal reserve that they aren't entitled. It's disgusting that opposition to the degradation of an ancient and sacred tradition is equated to keeping blacks in chains or cooking hebrews in ovens. There is perfectly legitimate reason to distinguish between a sanctified, child-bearing union of two biologically capable individuals, and the partnership between two forgetbuddies with feelings for each other.

Also, because I missed this loving idiocy:

America was not, and never will be a Christian nation. We are an atheist state.

Do you even read what you post before you start screaming off in the name of justice? The Treaty of Tripoli is an agreement that neither states could go to war for religious reasons, and purported the government as non-fundamentalist. "Secular" isn't atheist. Secularism is being concerned with matters of the material before the immaterial, which nearly every post-renaissance government in the west has been.

The fact that the President has to swear on a bible as part of the Oath to Office, and the fact that we've been observing the "National Day of Prayer" every year since 1798, is a testament to Christian principles ingrained in our society.

I never implied that all.
"America is atheist"
I know now that you didn't mean it that way but being that you wasn't clear it sounded that way.

whats so bad about civil unions? its the same thing as a marriage but without the religion aspect.
maybe i want to marry a dog. they would call that a bisjac union so i dont offend religous folk, and so i wont offend gay folk in that i wont be using thieir terms either.


its one thing to fight for rights when you are lacking them.
but dusty clearly wants to take away from religion lol. he feels there should be no middle ground where both groups can be happy. happiness must instead be removed from 1 side.

ok guys it's time to stop bothering sue

marriage has nothing to do with religion, the only reason gay marriage isn't legal is because of politicking.

associating religion with marriage makes for inequality among american citizens, which is completely unacceptable.

and dusty, keep using "us" and "we" and "my" as hard as you clearly are trying to.

because you earn pity points on your side of the debate lol

"America is atheist"
I know now that you didn't mean it that way but being that you wasn't clear it sounded that way.
What she meant to say was correct, but yes, she used the wrong word to describe it.
The proper term is secular
« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 07:42:50 PM by Headcrab Zombie »

Federal marriage is simply the federal government's recognition and encouragement of a religious institution. A civil union is a strictly legal, secular affair that doesn't offer incentives to promote childbearing, since yknow, gay couples can't reproduce naturally.
I have here, in my hand, a marriage certificate regarding the union of my parents in 1995. My mother and my father went down to the Cook County courthouse and were married there. There was no pastor, no religious ceremony, nothing of the sort. It was a government-performed and government-recognized union.

You can straw man my argument all you like, but the fact remains that there is a separate term for it because marriage is a religious institution. If you really want to posit a legitimate rebuttal, try coming up with reasons as to why gays require financial encouragement on behalf of the federal government to produce offspring, when homoloveual couples are biologically incapable of producing children on their own.
See previous: it's not a religious institution if a non-religious organization and non-ordained 'minister' validates it in the eyes of the state. Marriage embodies far more than benefits and rights, it's also a very big social step. While I can understand removing benefits that are there solely for the encouragement of procreation, there's no need for a separate term for it.

The purpose of marriage has been to construct family units, since it's inception. In the Bible and the Quran, the whole reason for the unity between a man and a woman is to produce and raise offspring. Gay couples can't do that. There is no reason for gay couples to need marriage anyways, it's an indulgence of hedonistic behavior that wants legal recognition and recently, pines for free money from the federal reserve that they aren't entitled. It's disgusting that opposition to the degradation of an ancient and sacred tradition is equated to keeping blacks in chains or cooking hebrews in ovens. There is perfectly legitimate reason to distinguish between a sanctified, child-bearing union of two biologically capable individuals, and the partnership between two forgetbuddies with feelings for each other.
This doesn't even deserve a response.

Do you even read what you post before you start screaming off in the name of justice? The Treaty of Tripoli is an agreement that neither states could go to war for religious reasons, and purported the government as non-fundamentalist. "Secular" isn't atheist. Secularism is being concerned with matters of the material before the immaterial, which nearly every post-renaissance government in the west has been.

The fact that the President has to swear on a bible as part of the Oath to Office, and the fact that we've been observing the "National Day of Prayer" every year since 1798, is a testament to Christian principles ingrained in our society.
Yeah, I do - do you? 'As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion' is the thing of interest there. I agree I picked the wrong word there, and secular was what I was really aiming for. Sure, there are Christian principles, but this still isn't a Christian nation. The laws of Christianity do not apply to the federal government. No religious laws apply to the government, nor should they influence it. That's the point I was trying to make.

I have here, in my hand, a marriage certificate regarding the union of my parents in 1995. My mother and my father went down to the Cook County courthouse and were married there. There was no pastor, no religious ceremony, nothing of the sort. It was a government-performed and government-recognized union.

thats not federal lol. the only fed involvement is taxes, and some other grand laws regarding property ownership