dwarf fortress isn't fun to learn how to play
I disagree, part of the fun of DF for me was being able tackle an impossible looking learning curve and reap the benifits of a complicated game with tons of content.
and then once you do learn to play it's just a bitch to do anything because there isn't any real menu navigation
I can list off how to get to certain things without ever looking at the menus now so there really isn't a need for them besides when I get a little lost.
plus things are hard to look at and distinguish, regardless of whether you use a tileset or not.
It's something you just get used to, once you understand what you're looking at it becomes easy to glance across the screen and understand everything you're looking at.
you have to really enjoy working towards a goal to like DF (working being the operative word)
Yes but that what makes the game so good, to start with you work slowly and you don't know what you're doing but after a while of playing you can throw up a base and have working productions extremely quickly. The best part is how the game never limits you on what you can do, the only thing limiting you is your own knowledge of the game.
that said I enjoy DF
Well that's good.
It total the reason Dwarf fortress is so good is because it's hard to learn and the sense of accomplishment when you finally understand it is awesome.
