Facebook guy kills dogs for barking - ARGUMENTS

[Pixel]

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[Jairo]

Sprinkles is so unique~

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[Lalam24]

When's the last time your cat has said something subjective or symbolic?

I don't think you know what sentience is, so I'll rephrase.

Cats do not think like we do. They are not aware that they even exist, and they don't care if they continue to live as long as they reproduce before they die.

Cats and dogs show fear, compassion, etc.  Any creature which shows fear is aware of their own existence.  YOU do not understand what sentience is.  There are several articles relating to this subject, and it's generally accepted that Dogs/Cats are sentient beings.

It's funny, because this article goes on displaying the rights of animals under the knowledge that animals are, in fact, sentient.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience#Animal_rights_and_sentience

Not that many people don't consider them to be.  Again, an animal can experience fear, pain, compassion, etc.  Your lack of comprehension towards this is pathetic.

Do your research, please.  And learn a word before you mention it as a primary factor of your argument.

[Jairo]

Cats and dogs show fear, compassion, etc.  Any creature which shows fear is aware of their own existence.  YOU do not understand what sentience is.  There are several articles relating to this subject, and it's generally accepted that Dogs/Cats are sentient beings.

It's funny, because this article goes on displaying the rights of animals under the immediate assumption that animals are, in fact, sentient.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience#Animal_rights_and_sentience

Not that many people don't consider them to be.  Again, an animal can experience fear, pain, compassion, etc.  Your lack of comprehension towards this is pathetic.

Do your research, please.  And learn a word before you mention it as a primary factor of your argument.

"assumption" "in fact" used in the same sentence??

[Lalam24]

Err, whoops.  I was considering the next line while typing that out (in reference to popular standard, as opposed to scientific fact).

I'll edit it, thanks for pointing it out, I guess.

[SeventhSandwich]

Cats and dogs show fear, compassion, etc.  Any creature which shows fear is aware of their own existence.  YOU do not understand what sentience is.  There are several articles relating to this subject, and it's generally accepted that Dogs/Cats are sentient beings.

Who is to say that the way they show fear doesn't manifest itself the same way mentally that it does in humans? If there are several articles relating to this subject, link me to them.

It's funny, because this article goes on displaying the rights of animals under the immediate assumption that animals are, in fact, sentient.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience#Animal_rights_and_sentience

All that says is that several countries recognize animals as sentient. That does not ensure that their philosophy is true. Learn to read.

Not that many people don't consider them to be.  Again, an animal can experience fear, pain, compassion, etc.  Your lack of comprehension towards this is pathetic.

I honestly don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that sentience isn't just the appearance of fear or pain, so I'm going to take a different route.

The main goal of any organism ever is to reproduce. In the case of dogs, they have 5 primary functions. Eat, drink, piss, stuff, reproduce. The most important of the 5 is 'Reproduce' which is pretty much the ultimate goal of every living thing on the planet. By killing a dog, you're depriving it of the opportunity to eat, drink, piss, stuff, and reproduce. Humans can do many more things than just eat, drink, piss, stuff, and reproduce.  Our lifespans are also much longer than the lifespan of the average dog, which means murdering a human deprives them of many more years of life than just killing a dog.

Dogs are also not self aware, which means that they have no concept of, "self" or that they are a living thing. You can research more about self awareness by looking up mirror test results for animals.

Here's an explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cTP01Wbsh0E#!

[Blockzillahead]

Here's an explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cTP01Wbsh0E#!

I don't think dogs can see themselves in a mirror.

Nvm. Apparently some dogs can and others can't.
Yes. Some dogs aren't aware of themselves and others are.

[SeventhSandwich]

Nvm. Apparently some dogs can and others can't.
Yes. Some dogs aren't aware of themselves and others are.

cite your source

[Blockzillahead]

cite your source

I just typed it on google and people answered that their dogs are aware there's a dog in the mirror, but they bark at it like it's another dog and not themselves. Some don't even see the mirror(like my dog) and others are aware it's them(doubt it because they don't probably have as much intellect to recognize themselves).

[hankyje]

Sprinkles has a way with words... you just wouldnt understand


GET IT BECAUSE HES A CAT AND DOESNT SPEAK ENGLISH. I kill myself!

Self Delete by stab

[Jairo]

I just typed it on google and people answered that their dogs are aware there's a dog in the mirror, but they bark at it like it's another dog and not themselves. Some don't even see the mirror(like my dog) and others are aware it's them(doubt it because they don't probably have as much intellect to recognize themselves).

saying this isn't citing any sources

[Blockzillahead]

saying this isn't citing any sources

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_dogs_recognize_themselves_in_mirrors
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061023193854AAawxw3
http://community.dog.com/forums/p/88709/701479.aspx
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/407/are-dogs-unable-to-see-2-d-images-mirrors-photos-tv
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/03/03/134167145/i-sniff-therefore-i-am-are-dogs-self-conscious
http://phys.org/news205000474.html

I think that's enough. Now go actually read through all of them. Some of them make very interesting points like the last one.

[bµbbler]

loving Christ I've seen messed up stuff, but to put this on Facebook for all your friends to see?
I'd consider my social life ruined

[Chrono]

These 27 pages of discussion did not go on inside this guys head when he did it.

He's just a violent moron who is too weak to tolerate small dogs barking.

He didn't ever stop to think "am i superior? do trees help me breathe? is this wrong?"

He wanted to end small dogs barking, violently.

[Lalam24]

Who is to say that the way they show fear doesn't manifest itself the same way mentally that it does in humans? If there are several articles relating to this subject, link me to them.
All that says is that several countries recognize animals as sentient. That does not ensure that their philosophy is true. Learn to read.
I honestly don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that sentience isn't just the appearance of fear or pain, so I'm going to take a different route.

The main goal of any organism ever is to reproduce. In the case of dogs, they have 5 primary functions. Eat, drink, piss, stuff, reproduce. The most important of the 5 is 'Reproduce' which is pretty much the ultimate goal of every living thing on the planet. By killing a dog, you're depriving it of the opportunity to eat, drink, piss, stuff, and reproduce. Humans can do many more things than just eat, drink, piss, stuff, and reproduce.  Our lifespans are also much longer than the lifespan of the average dog, which means murdering a human deprives them of many more years of life than just killing a dog.

Dogs are also not self aware, which means that they have no concept of, "self" or that they are a living thing. You can research more about self awareness by looking up mirror test results for animals.

Here's an explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cTP01Wbsh0E#!

Self awareness isn't sentience. 

Here's a great article explaining why they are sentient beings:
http://www.ciwf.org.uk/includes/documents/cm_docs/2009/b/boyle_2009_neuroscience_and_animal_sentience.pdf

Most animals are not aware of their existence (in which case I was incorrect on my assumption proposing animals are aware due to fear), but this doesn't imply that they cannot suffer, and that they are not sentient.  However, you're suggesting that due to self awareness, we become more valuable.  While I understand the perspective, I disagree due to relativity.  Contributions made by several species differ and therefore produce different forms of "value."  Intellect relating to the knowledge of our existence, though an incredible evolutionary achievement, is not an immediate strength showing superiority.  In order for us to be superior, we must outweigh their strengths entirely.

However, in relation to general empathy towards other living creatures:

It also seems obvious that different individual animals within a species have different levels of intelligence, just as different humans have different levels of intelligence. Again, I’ve known some very smart cats. But I’ve also known some cats who were as dumb as posts. There’s some sort of statistical distribution at play.

If someone is mentally handicapped enough not to be self aware, does this simply mean that, as an inferior person, their death wouldn't cause harm?