Facebook guy kills dogs for barking - ARGUMENTS

[SeventhSandwich]

Im talking about the paragraph that talks about dogs :s

The entire paper is garbage.

WHICH APPLIES TO DOGS

The point I was trying to make is that he's defining consciousness in a way that isn't specific enough.

[Ad Bot]

[Blockzillahead]

you...

no

WHICH APPLIES TO DOGS

well the first paragraph about dogs is what I wanted to share but you guys went ahead and read the whole thing.

[SeventhSandwich]

well the first paragraph about dogs is what I wanted to share but you guys went ahead and read the whole thing.

Even the first body paragraph is just a bunch of uber-subjective nonsense about his own personal philosophy on what is 'Consciousness'.

This guy is just a philosopher who has no idea what he's talking about.

[Blockzillahead]

So lets get this cleared up.

Dogs can feel.
But they are not aware of themselves existing.

To be honest I dont know what we are arguing about anymore. The topic got changed with every arugment.

[Lalam24]

I was using sentience as a synonym for self-awareness.

If you wish to argue that dogs are sentient but not self-aware, go ahead. But the whole reason I'm saying you guys shouldn't be saying this guy should be executed is because dogs are not self-aware.
This is the first logical argument you've made.

Unfortunately, it isn't appropriate for this specific situation (where a guy kills two dogs and posts pictures on facebook):

There are already laws that protect animals from being killed that rely on other forms of "value". Endangered animals are protected because without them, vital parts of the food chain would be missing, or we would be without a beautiful species to put in our zoos forever. I fully support severe prosecution for poachers who kill endangered species.

The intellect of humans is directly related to how we live our lives. If you get killed at age 15, you are going to miss out on a lot in life. The reason every single legal system in the world frowns upon murder is because humans choose to mutually agree on not killing eachother so that everyone is relatively safe from being murdered. Dogs do not share these same kinds of experiences.
which is the whole point of the mirror test...

It's appropriate in relation to the argument debating human superiority.  I disagree that this was the first logical argument I was able to produce, considering it was one of the primary arguments I had argued in the past (though you may have accidentally dodged it).

Now, aside from my previous argument considering all aspects promoted by individual species, the way in which you present value is based on how an individual is aware of their value.  The problem with this is that, regardless of self awareness, immorally speaking, once a creature has been killed, offering absolutely nothing that would severely downgrade the species, their potential value has literally become nothing, and is no longer of value aside from those who care and are aware of it, right?

[Blockzillahead]

Holy stuff double post. I apologize my internet died.

[SeventhSandwich]

It's appropriate in relation to the argument debating human superiority.  I disagree that this was the first logical argument I was able to produce, considering it was one of the primary arguments I had argued in the past (though you may have accidentally dodged it).

That's probably what happened. Sorry.

Now, aside from my previous argument considering all aspects promoted by individual species, the way in which you present value is based on how an individual is aware of their value.  The problem with this is that, regardless of self awareness, immorally speaking, once a creature has been killed, offering absolutely nothing that would severely downgrade the species, their potential value has literally become nothing, and is no longer of value aside from those who care and are aware of it, right?

There is no way to fully quantify the value of an organism's life in a way that accounts for everything. I am merely arguing that people who want this guy executed for killing a dog are severely overreacting. But yes, a dead dog is not at all a big deal.

[Electrk]

I don't think he should be executed for killing the dogs but saying human life is more valuable than other animals is a biased point of view.

[Blockzillahead]

That's probably what happened. Sorry.
There is no way to fully quantify the value of an organism's life in a way that accounts for everything. I am merely arguing that people who want this guy executed for killing a dog are severely overreacting. But yes, a dead dog is not at all a big deal.

To bring up a point. We were originally arguing for the fact that the kid laughed at the dead dogs and bragged to the internet and his friends also laughed.

That guy must have a mental illness.

[Aces]

I don't think he should be executed for killing the dogs but saying human life is more valuable than other animals is a biased point of view.

To be fair, animals won't notice the bias.

[SeventhSandwich]

I don't think he should be executed for killing the dogs but saying human life is more valuable than other animals is a biased point of view.

I'm saying that in terms of how many people you're going to piss off, killing a human being just because he killed a dog will end up pissing off a lot more people.

To bring up a point. We were originally arguing for the fact that the kid laughed at the dead dogs and bragged to the internet and his friends also laughed.

That guy must have a mental illness.

So you are telling me you want people who are mentally ill executed?

[Blockzillahead]

I'm saying that in terms of how many people you're going to piss off, killing a human being just because he killed a dog will end up pissing off a lot more people.
So you are telling me you want people who are mentally ill executed?

I think I said he should kill himself but that was because I have 2 dogs as pets and I let my emotions get the best of me. Im just saying that the guy must be mentally ill. He needs to be supervised.

[SeventhSandwich]

I think I said he should kill himself but that was because I have 2 dogs as pets and I let my emotions get the best of me. Im just saying that the guy must be mentally ill. He needs to be supervised.

Okay then, we've pretty much resolved the argument.

Anyone else still in favor of executing this guy?

[Blockzillahead]

Okay then, we've pretty much resolved the argument.

Anyone else still in favor of executing this guy?

Everyone else who wanted execution did the same mistake as me. They dont actually mean it but they want a way to express their anger.

[Cybertails1998]

Anyone else still in favor of executing this guy?

I actually do need a boxing mannequin to dish out my hate for humanity on.