Hundreds of rape victims loveually harassed at once by batstuff crazy man

[Qwepir]

dusty, planr, qwepir, bisjac
seems like an average ill-thought out debate thread

im just here because of the free food
and to laugh at plant for being a dipstuff

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[Planr]

dusty, planr, qwepir, bisjac
seems like an average ill-thought out debate thread

most of what i've heard out of dusty in this thread were personal attacks and insults shoehorned into some restated arguments.

from qwepir, his posts have been almost entirely made up of just insults and personal attacks. considerably shallow behavior.

im just here because of the free food
and to laugh at plant for being a dipstuff

such as this fine post right here

bisjac on the other hand is making good arguments with plenty of reasoning. and i agree with him.

[Neon]

the whole womans empowerment thing comes from the woman being ashamed they werent empowered BEFORE they were raped.
they didnt give this much stuff some time ago, thus the attitude led to their rape. no self esteem, no means, werent loud enough, werent smart enough. oh well.

i bet these chicks aint getting raped NOW, thats for sure lol.
but woman must learn the hard way i guess

I knew you were really loveist before, but god damn, man. You're talking about this from a point of view like you understand exactly what it is that they've been through. There is no such thing as asking for it, there is such thing as someone being a complete douche-scum of society and deciding to rape someone. You just can't blame the victim for being too susceptible. Like, I stand from the man's point of view as say he is a complete waste of life for doing something like that, but you're saying it's the victim's fault for not having enough 'empowerment'? You know what, this topic needs a new rule

[Bisjac]

I knew you were really loveist before, but god damn, man. You're talking about this from a point of view like you understand exactly what it is that they've been through. There is no such thing as asking for it, there is such thing as someone being a complete douche-scum of society and deciding to rape someone. You just can't blame the victim for being too susceptible. Like, I stand from the man's point of view as say he is a complete waste of life for doing something like that, but you're saying it's the victim's fault for not having enough 'empowerment'? You know what, this topic needs a new rule

"blame the victim"
"raped because of how they dressed"

these are the 2 lies that you feminists love to throw around. when no one is saying these things.

i blame BOTH the rapists AND the girls.
and no one thinks girls are raped for how they are dressed. i dont know from what decade's human rights movements they are referencing but that is a non issue here.


its easy to tell girls to be more careful and to be smarter. because we already know who the victims are.
i cant so easily tell the soon to be rapists to not rape girls can i? because i dont know who they are.

you are under some strange assumption that females should have no responsibility or common sense. that the world should protect them FOR themselves.

[Nickelob Ultra]

but not rape. its unique in that no other crime is so spontaneous and magical.

Probably because it involves forcing a victim to partake in loveual intercourse as opposed to just taking their cellphone/wallet or killing them.

[Providence]

blame robbery murder victim for being late out at night

[Neon]

"blame the victim"
"raped because of how they dressed"

these are the 2 lies that you feminists love to throw around. when no one is saying these things.

i blame BOTH the rapists AND the girls.
and no one thinks girls are raped for how they are dressed. i dont know from what decade's human rights movements they are referencing but that is a non issue here.


its easy to tell girls to be more careful and to be smarter. because we already know who the victims are.
i cant so easily tell the soon to be rapists to not rape girls can i? because i dont know who they are.

you are under some strange assumption that females should have no responsibility or common sense. that the world should protect them FOR themselves.

Alright, I can see where you're coming from "I can tell girls to be safe, but not tell guys to stop raping", but you're making it sound like you think it was even remotely the victim's fault for not being more careful or empowered. The only person who is to blame in a rape is the person who committed it. That's like telling a guy who got hit by a car while walking on the sidewalk that he should have been more alert and it's partially his fault.

[Nickelob Ultra]

blame robbery murder victim for being late out at night

This is what half of bisjac/planr's argument is.  You can't blame victims for things happening, it's a pretty absurd claim.

[Bisjac]

well its a long topic. but ive made it very very clear.

people keep jumping in and want to play the almighty white knight for all woman game when they dont even know the current discussion.

[snozola]

10/10 forums, 10/10. Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away or something?

Planr, you're disgusting. You really are. I guess it's a murder victim's fault for not being well-versed enough in self-defense to have stopped his own death. Come off it. Stop parroting all the bullstuff Mommy and Daddy blabber when they're in church and open your eyes. The mere notion you would say the victim deserves blame in any of the previously stated cases is repulsive. Maybe you should just get a time machine and move back to 1950 so you can live happily with your ignorance.

Plant you are pathetic, nice Christian mindset towards these people.  forget you.

A five second google search.  Besides, this isn't about women's rights.  It is about rape victims.


You are right.  Every loveual offense has at least two sides.  Many "victims" have the probability of lying, providing false witness, or using a guilt trip to win the case.  But, I don't think this guy was doing this for the accused "loveual offenders".  I think he did it to keep those who are down or trying to get back up at rock bottom. Or he misunderstood a movement for recovering people as a over the top femnational socialist movement and sought to put women in "their place".


Are you asking if opinions should have their own times to protest?  Cause they do already.  I don't get the use of the word "condescending".


Once again, not a woman's empowerment movement.  I am pretty damn sure that guy got off unharmed.  This should be surprising since he pissed off a huge crowd of people already somewhat pissed.  Mobs are not that friendly and restrained.  The picture is of them spraying horns, yelling, and crowding around him.  This is not violence... if anything it is yelling.  Besides victims of violence don't enjoy themselves.  He is not only having a grand ol' time but seems to be under the influence also.


I specifically said women or male can be the victim first of all.  And one final time, not woman's empowerment movement.

Don't sum up my opinion unless you know what you are talking about.


This is from the post.  Since it is obvy none of you read it.... I think he puts it pretty well. 

Here is some good points made at the beginning of the argument.

"blame the victim"
"raped because of how they dressed"

these are the 2 lies that you feminists love to throw around. when no one is saying these things.

i blame BOTH the rapists AND the girls.
and no one thinks girls are raped for how they are dressed. i dont know from what decade's human rights movements they are referencing but that is a non issue here.


its easy to tell girls to be more careful and to be smarter. because we already know who the victims are.
i cant so easily tell the soon to be rapists to not rape girls can i? because i dont know who they are.

you are under some strange assumption that females should have no responsibility or common sense. that the world should protect them FOR themselves.

Hmmm

Sure some of the VICTIMS, (not just girls), made some sort of mistake that lead to the unfortunate event, but none-the-less there was someone there who took advantage of them. 

A robbery is still robbery, an assault is still a assault, a murder is still a murder, a rape is still a rape.  This often take away something that one cannot get back.  For rape victims it is piece of mind, self-worth, virginity, getting STDs or pregnancies, and the future of having a boyfriend/girlfriend. 

well its a long topic. but ive made it very very clear.

people keep jumping in and want to play the almighty white knight for all woman game when they dont even know the current discussion.

Do not pull this stuff.

People here are bashing you for you bashing on rape victims, WOMEN or MEN.  Not to gain the affection of some women.

[Planr]

Plant you are pathetic, nice Christian mindset towards these people.  forget you.

Can you please be more specific?

[Bisjac]

Sure some of the VICTIMS, (not just girls), made some sort of mistake that lead to the unfortunate event, but none-the-less there was someone there who took advantage of them. 

so then what exactly are you suggesting? even you can see the lost cause unless woman take more responsibility.

patting them on the back to feed them self esteem for their "loss" dosnt do jack stuff.

[Nickelob Ultra]

almighty white knight for all woman game

LOL.  This is the basis of your entire argument?  Are you just that afraid of defending the opposite gender even for something like rape?  You're pathetic.

[Bisjac]

what exactly is there to defend them for lol
the rapes have occurred. you want me to follow a girl around all day, and remind every male that comes within 5 feet of her that shes a respectable girl whom he cant force her legs open?

the entire point is that only the woman can prepare themselves (or avoid) for a future rape. no one else.

and everything you feminists are going on about is contrary to that.

you can be a bleeding heart about it all but you are actually less helpful to the issue then i am. i have real solutions while you want to hold a sign or some stuff.

[Nickelob Ultra]

what exactly is there to defend them for lol
the raps have occurred. you want me to follow a girl around all day, and remind every male that comes within 5 feet of her that shes a respectable girl whom he cant force her legs open?

the entire point is that only the woman can prepare themselves (or avoid) for a future rape. no one else.

and everything you feminists are going on about is contrary to that.

The difference between me and a feminist is that I think it's wrong to blame a victim for a crime happening while a feminist would blame every single male human being on the planet for all forms of rape.  Get it together Bisjac, you're exaggerating beyond all things logical.

We're not saying you have to go and protect a girl around ffs.  Again, you're exaggerating.

Yes, we're aware that there are steps women can take to prevent rape from happening but this isn't always the case.  What are they supposed to do if the attacker has a gun?  There are almost no options there other than to just get shot instead of living but getting raped.  This isn't a problem that can be solved by being individualistic about it.