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[Legodude77]

My 7750 will run blockland on max, so if you can't afford a 7770 then buy a 7750.

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[Tokthree]

Upgrading RAM speed with 8GB+ > Upgrading ram quantity for 8GB+

Both = pointless if you're just gaming.

Well depends what you do, if someone who does things like renders video and uses maya, adobe premiere pro right off the bat when exporting uses 3GB of ram so 4gb would be a nono for that person 6gb is good but then having 6 usually gives you an uneven pair in your memory slots, when you go to upgrade later in the future to have maybe 8gb or even 16, depending on how many slots you have you will have to remove a stick, maybe even both to upgrade. It's sort of wasting sticks, ur just going to have them somewhere in a box. That's why I gave him 1 stick of 8GB, upgrading will be easier, he just needs to buy another stick and bam done, he won't have to worry about storing extra sticks in a safe place.

1. I highly doubt he'd be rendering video, using maya or exporting in premier pro.
2. 1 stick of 8GB? I highly doubt you actually know anything about what you're trying to pitch here, I highly doubt anyone who is even thinking of buying a 7770 has a single-channel motherboard

[Altiris]

Both = pointless if you're just gaming.

1. I highly doubt he'd be rendering video, using maya or exporting in premier pro.
2. 1 stick of 8GB? I highly doubt you actually know anything about what you're trying to pitch here, I highly doubt anyone who is even thinking of buying a 7770 has a single-channel motherboard

1. You're handicapped, I was giving examples of who would need more than 4GB.
2. Again youre handicapped, 1 stick of 8GB is correct, whats wrong with 1 stick of 8GB DDR3 RAM? I have 1 stick of 8GB DDR3 RAM and have 3 slots left in my motherboard, meaning my PC can support 32gb max, 8gb in each slot. The PC I suggested to him only had two slots and supported 16GB max, meaning to max out the memory you would need to buy two 8GB sticks, you can go with less such as 6GB (2x3GB)or 4(2x2GB) but then when its upgrading time you will have to remove a stick or two. Youre the one that doesnt knownshat your talking about or misinterpreted my examples wrong because I stated how someone would have to remove two sticks so there would be room for more upgrading, just that sentence tells you that I am not trying to say there is only 1 slot in the whole mobo, derp.

[Tokthree]

2. Again youre handicapped, 1 stick of 8GB is correct, whats wrong with 1 stick of 8GB DDR3 RAM? I have 1 stick of 8GB DDR3 RAM and have 3 slots left in my motherboard, meaning my PC can support 32gb max, 8gb in each slot. Youre the one that doesnt knownshat your talking about or misinterpreted my examples wrong because I stated how someone would have to remove two sticks so there would be room for more upgrading, just that sentence tells you that I am not trying to say there is only 1 slot in the whole mobo, derp.

Good god you are loving handicapped, single-channel doesn't mean it only has one slot for RAM

[Altiris]

Both = pointless if you're just gaming.

1. I highly doubt he'd be rendering video, using maya or exporting in premier pro.
2. 1 stick of 8GB? I highly doubt you actually know anything about what you're trying to pitch here, I highly doubt anyone who is even thinking of buying a 7770 has a single-channel motherboard

Also, the channels are just a mode you can set the ram in. If you just have one stick then it will run in single channel which is fine, if you have 2 sticks and put them in the correct slots then it wil enable dual channel, which is faster compared to one slot or if we're to have 2 sticks and not in dual channel mode, there's nothing wrong with not having it. Don't post stuff acting like you know stuff.

[Altiris]

Good god you are loving handicapped, single-channel doesn't mean it only has one slot for RAM

Good god, you are loving handicapped, single channel doesn't mean it's bad!

[Altiris]

Good god you are loving handicapped, single-channel doesn't mean it only has one slot for RAM

You still never answered my question of why apparently one stick is bad or shouldn't be ran with someone getting an AMD 7770. I explained and backed up the things I've said, all you've done is call me out.

[Blockzillahead]

You still never answered my question of why apparently one stick is bad or shouldn't be ran with someone getting an AMD 7770. I explained and backed up the things I've said, all you've done is call me out.

1 stick of 8GB is slower than 2 sticks of 4GB each.
I think it's because the 1 stick takes longer to load and use because of the higher amount of memory compared to the 2 sticks that are being used simultaneously for the same thing.

I could be wrong but whatever.

Edit: I just noticed that the AMD 7770 part makes no sense. RAM doesn't affect the GPU's performance at all.

[Tokthree]

Why advise someone to purchase a single 8GB stick of RAM when you know that 2x4GB would give far greater performance overall? Why advocate upgrading beyond 8GB when it's extremely unlikely that the person you are advising would be doing anything more than playing some games? You're basically advocating and spreading the absolutely idiotic notion that anyone who just plays games will need any more than 8GB of RAM on his rig even a couple of years from now.

The reason that you are stupid, don't know what you're talking about and are giving bad advice is that you're advising this user to waste his money on something he either does not need at all or on something that gives far poorer performance than an equal alternative and also potentially driving him to advise other people to do the things you advised him to do which is perpetuating nonsense

[lcyGamma]

Take it easy Alt, Tok. :s

If it accepts single-channel memory I think you'll find the difference between one or two sticks will be trivial in terms of speed.

[Tokthree]

If you can get a difference at no extra cost as well as symmetry then why not go for it?

[lcyGamma]

If you can get a difference at no extra cost as well as symmetry then why not go for it?

Well I think the point was that you might leave a slot open for future upgrade. I don't subscribe to that opinion, I think you should buy RAM once and do it right. Chances are that slot will never get filled because he just won't need it.

8GB is pretty fine. 16GB is an indulgence, but since RAM is cheap I don't think it hurts throwing it into your build if you can.

There is definitely an increase in people going for 16GB RAM for that reason, as you know.

[Tokthree]

I'm the kind of guy who doesn't really go for more than he needs when it comes to this sort of stuff.
I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, an extra 8GB would be an expense I have no interest in, if I can save money on my build without sacrificing quality, performance or peace of mind then I will save it.

I can't even ask my brother for tech advice anymore, my interests conflict with his too much, he always recommends the most overpriced and over-performing parts he can possibly find because he is the kind of guy who wants the biggest and the best.
The problem stems from the fact that nowadays he has an incredibly good job so he can actually afford to buy stuff he doesn't need.


By the way, I posted a rundown of my rig in the megathread like you asked

[Greek2me]

You're 16, why would you blow $700 on a graphics card? :/ Save for a car or college or something more useful imo.

[lcyGamma]

Okay thanks.

I much prefer that approach, I don't see it often. Everyone has their needs with a computer, and almost always people over-spend buying extra performance they'll never even experience. A game or program can only run so smoothly, once and if you hit that plateau it doesn't matter whether you spent $200 or $500-- thats it.

I feel better paying a good price and getting good performance out of hardware, than overpaying and getting no more real-world performance than the cheaper option.

Its hard selling that idea to people who are brainwashed into thinking nothing but the most expensive option will satisfy.