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[Altiris]

Why advise someone to purchase a single 8GB stick of RAM when you know that 2x4GB would give far greater performance overall? Why advocate upgrading beyond 8GB when it's extremely unlikely that the person you are advising would be doing anything more than playing some games? You're basically advocating and spreading the absolutely idiotic notion that anyone who just plays games will need any more than 8GB of RAM on his rig even a couple of years from now.

The reason that you are stupid, don't know what you're talking about and are giving bad advice is that you're advising this user to waste his money on something he either does not need at all or on something that gives far poorer performance than an equal alternative and also potentially driving him to advise other people to do the things you advised him to do which is perpetuating nonsense

The performance is a mere 5%, getting two 4GB or 1 8GB from GSkill is the same price, some kits are even $2 more. If you get the two 4gb and you ever plan on upgrading in the future (notice how I say in the future meaning years from now) you will end up having to throw out both sticks from the PC, that is to reach full 16gb. Where as the 8gb you wouldn't d throwing away anything. That's all I am trying to say, for it being the same price I would rather just get the 1 8gb because you wouldn't throw anything out (not in the trash obvs but then u need to put it somewhere safe) ram won't magically speed up the computer, and the performance increase from dual channel is ~5% so it's really not that big of a gain.

I never told him he had to get more than 8GB of ram, this is the second time I am telling I gave examples of people who would need more than 8gb of ram and I quote myself "if someone who does things like renders videos or uses maya, adobe premiere pro off the bat uses 3gb when exporting...". I don't know where you think I told him to get more than 8gb.


I'm done replying, @OP if you think you would ever upgrade you ram a couple years down the road go with the 1 stick 8gb, it works fine, I can host and play a minecrsft server on the PC with 4 people on it and only 1gb of ram being dedicated to the server. The other thing is that if you plan on upgrading and get the 2x4gb kit you will end up removing at least one 4gb and it will just be lying around, wasted money.

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[lcyGamma]

If you get the two 4gb and you ever plan on upgrading in the future (notice how I say in the future meaning years from now) you will end up having to throw out both sticks from the PC, that is to reach full 16gb.

You shouldn't be mixing RAM up anyway, by the time you go to buy a new stick who knows what technologies will be behind them. Might have different clock speeds or something.

I'm done replying, @OP

Oh don't be like that, obviously you and Tok just come from two different sides of the spectrum when it comes to your approach with computer assembly. Don't take it to heart.

[Altiris]

You shouldn't be mixing RAM up anyway, by the time you go to buy a new stick who knows what technologies will be behind them. Might have different clock speeds or something.

Oh don't be like that, obviously you and Tok just come from two different sides of the spectrum when it comes to your approach with computer assembly. Don't take it to heart.

I know I said I wouldn't reply but I came back to see if OP replied anything and I see your post.

Usually, well when I bought my PC I wrote the model number and name of the memory so that years from now I can searh the model number and find t. However if technology does start changing and I hear them discontinuing DDR3 ram then I will either buy more while its still out of just not buy any at all. Just remember the model number for the ram and ull be good to go.

[Blockzillahead]

I know I said I wouldn't reply but I came back to see if OP replied anything and I see your post.

Usually, well when I bought my PC I wrote the model number and name of the memory so that years from now I can searh the model number and find t. However if technology does start changing and I hear them discontinuing DDR3 ram then I will either buy more while its still out of just not buy any at all. Just remember the model number for the ram and ull be good to go.

Tok still has a point. Mixing 2 memory sticks is more efficient than just 1 memory stick. Mainly because two of them are working on tasks rather than 1 stick working on everything.

[Altiris]

Tok still has a point. Mixing 2 memory sticks is more efficient than just 1 memory stick. Mainly because two of them are working on tasks rather than 1 stick working on everything.

I understand this but it's not that big of a performance difference, it's around 5% and its not like it will make your PC 5% faster. If you go this way you will end up wasting money down the road. THIS IS AN Example, both 8gb (2x4gb) and 8gb(1x8gb) are the same price (the rams are actually the same price irl) from Gskill. Your motherboard only has two slots and supports 16gb of total memory. You decide to get the 2x4gb, so now you have both slots filled up and have 8gb max. A couple years pass, we will say two years or so and you decide for some reason you want 12gb or 16gb (I don't give a stuff if you say nobody needs that much, maybe someone just wants to have that much, who are you to decide?). In order to get 12gb of ram you would need to remove one stick, and buy 1 8gb stick. You now spent money on one stick and have an extra stick just lying around. Lets say you wanted 16gb now, you are going to have to end up removing the 4gb stick that you've had since the first time you built the PC.

You've now bought another 8gb stick and now have 16gb total, you have reached your goal but now you have 2 4gb sticks just lying around and you've spent $120 total on all of the ram you've purchased (this is including the 2x4gb which currently are $40 and then plus another $40 for the 1stick you got and then plus another $40 for the last stick you got that gave you 16gb total ram). If you had chose to get 8gb in the first place your total amount of money spent on ram would only be only $80. Thats $40 saved right there, who's stupid now?

DO YOU SEE MY POINT YET?

[Blockzillahead]

I understand this but it's not that big of a performance difference, it's around 5% and its not like it will make your PC 5% faster.

5%? Where are you getting this from exactly? It all depends on the configuration of your system and the specification of the RAM.

Your motherboard only has two slots and supports 16gb of total memory.

I think it's the processor that supports up to a specific amount of memory, not the motherboard.

you decide for some reason you want 12gb or 16gb (I don't give a stuff if you say nobody needs that much, maybe someone just wants to have that much, who are you to decide?)

Contradiction. You said before that it's a waste of money to buy 2 sticks instead of 1. Well you certainly don't need more than 8GB because it's extremely expensive and not worth it. No application uses more than 4GB. It's a waste of money to upgrade to anything more over 8GB. Even in the future. 4GB will do more than fine.

have an extra stick just lying around.

You can always sell it.

but now you have 2 4gb sticks just lying around

Same as above, more profit.

who's stupid now?

Where did this come from? I'm just saying that Tok's point is more accurate than yours.

DO YOU SEE MY POINT YET?

Not really because you seem confused about what's going on in this discussion.

[Mr.jacksaunt]

I think it's the processor that supports up to a specific amount of memory, not the motherboard.

ugh

[EazyE]

bought an $80 video card the other day

plays BL with max shaders 100-120 FPS

MC peaks at 554 FPS and flows at 400 with Fast graphics settings

[Altiris]

5%? Where are you getting this from exactly? It all depends on the configuration of your system and the specification of the RAM.I think it's the processor that supports up to a specific amount of memory, not the motherboard.Contradiction. You said before that it's a waste of money to buy 2 sticks instead of 1. Well you certainly don't need more than 8GB because it's extremely expensive and not worth it. No application uses more than 4GB. It's a waste of money to upgrade to anything more over 8GB. Even in the future. 4GB will do more than fine.You can always sell it.Same as above, more profit.Where did this come from? I'm just saying that Tok's point is more accurate than yours.Not really because you seem confused about what's going on in this discussion.

1. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/PARALLEL-PROCESSING,1705-11.html    Like I have said in the past, barely a performance difference.
2. Its a little bit on both parts. The processor needs to support the mhz speed of the memory, if it doesn't though it will just clock the speed down to what itsupported. (its mostly motherboard as even an Intel Celeron G50 supports 32gb)
3. You cut off what I quoted in the beginning, trying to make me not know what I am talking about or you simple didnt read everything. You are also saying 8GB is expensive, I didnt know $40 for memory was expensive. The 2x4GB options are the same prices also and even for some other brands its a couple bucks more.

THIS IS AN Example, both 8gb (2x4gb) and 8gb(1x8gb) are the same price (the rams are actually the same price irl) from Gskill. Your motherboard only has two slots and supports 16gb of total memory. You decide to get the 2x4gb, so now you have both slots filled up and have 8gb max.

4. You should know that people don't buy used RAM (unless for an ancient computer), and its not a good idea for you to either, it can be damaged or have errors.
5. Same as above, nobody buys used RAM
6. The who's stupid now thing probably didnt come from you, I think someone else said that.
7. I am not confused, I have built two gaming PCs and a kick ass Server (Intel Xeon X5690, 4HDD in RAID 1. I know what I am talking about. I have also backed up all of my information, I gave you a link that showed results of Single channel vs dual channel. You haven't given me any links about where you are backing up your information, and I haven't asked you to do so because I know what you are saying is true but I am still trying to get my point across of how you save money going my option.

I seriously am just tired of arguing, I only started the argument when someone called me out on something that I knew was true.

[lcyGamma]

Imo RAM is one of the least things people need to worry about when it comes to performance. As long as you get a fair amount of memory, at least 6GB in your gaming rig, and choose one with a good CAS latency at anything 1333mhz or above, you are set.

People blow money buying memory that has is a kick faster at 1800mhz or whatnot. No problem if the price is fine, but if you are paying more or getting less memory for a faster speed you've forgeted up.

Thorough benchmarking tests show that the difference, even between RAM modules of 1333mhz vs 2000mhz, is so minor you'll never recognize it in real world performance.

Many of the more expensive RAM sticks by reliable companies, like G.Skill or Corsair, will offer this 'gaming ram' which is essentially just RAM packaged in a fancy case with heat pipes, charge people more for what isn't really more in terms of the user experience. Its targeted at the overclocking crowd who will buy into that.

So I don't think anyone should sweat it over buying one RAM stick or two. It might be a little slower, I'm not sure how much by, but I don't think its that important. Who would leave one space open for later upgrade? I'm not sure, someone who intends to buy more RAM within the year but can't afford it now perhaps.

As long as your RAM is of a good brand, and preferably has some kind of heat-dissipating casing, it should be fine. Companies like Corsair don't just pander to overclockers-- they offer products like the XMS3 series, which are aimed at high performance computers over brown town gamers, but only in terms of marketing. It'll still do you just as well as any other RAM sold for 'high-performance'. Thats why I chose it.

In short, RAM is RAM. Its gotten so fast relative to our other technologies that you need to focus more on quality and reliability over performance these days.

[Skarm1337]

If you only play Blockland then I honestly wouldn't spend more than $200 on a graphics card for you. I would run shaders with 4x AA on Max and I could visit any server without lagging. The AMD 7770 is better than the GTX 550ti so I would say you will be good to go. I suggest building a new PC since your processor is too old and your power supply probably won't give out enough power for your card.

The specs I listed you are good quality parts and will be able to run Shaders and probably any other game you throw it, even Far Cry 3.

I made up my mind ill get the AMD 7770 and see if it helps. Thank you for all your hard-work I don't know how I can thank you. PS I didn't answer/reply for a long time because I'm stressing out on my homework -.- Thanks Altiris and other people who helped :)

[Altiris]

I made up my mind ill get the AMD 7770 and see if it helps. Thank you for all your hard-work I don't know how I can thank you. PS I didn't answer/reply for a long time because I'm stressing out on my homework -.- Thanks Altiris and other people who helped :)

You need to make sure your power supply can give enough power for the AMD 7770. Are you on a desktop or a laptop, the CPU you gave us is a laptop CPU I think and even so its pretty old. The processor will end up bottlenecking the graphics card.

Id suggest building a new PC, if you have a desktop you already have a screen, keyboard, and mouse. Just make sure your screen will plug in, here are a list of parts you can order from newegg.com or another site

Motherboard: ASRock H77M LGA 115 $70
Processor: Intel core i3 3200 Ivy Bridge (3.3ghz --pretty fast) $120
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333mhz GSkill $39
Case: NZXT Source 210 $39
DVD Drive: ASUS 24x DVD Drive $19
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 3 7200rpm $79
PSU: CX430w 430W $45
Graphics Card: HIS AMD 7770 $134
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium OEM $99

[Jerome]

Guys, I doubt he'll be able to build his own computer. While yes, his computer probably can't even run a new card, but I doubt he can build a new one.

[lcyGamma]

He does seem pretty young and he isn't able to clarify whether or not he has a laptop unless I missed something. You are probably right.

[Altiris]

He does seem pretty young and he isn't able to clarify whether or not he has a laptop unless I missed something. You are probably right.

Thats where youtube comes in but yeah I get what you mean. I at least wanted to notify him of that before he went and bought it.