Poll

Well, what do you think?

It's justified.
46 (47.9%)
It's cruel.
22 (22.9%)
Eh, I don't have a straight opinion on it.
28 (29.2%)

Total Members Voted: 96

Voting closed: March 15, 2013, 01:08:25 AM

Author Topic: Captial punishment, good or bad?  (Read 13600 times)

The state shouldn't have the power to kill people.

Ah yes a very difficult discussion. When I was in Criminal justice we talked about how DNA evidence saved many innocent lives from deathrow and have taken innocent lives out of prison. It sucks too for them because the state/fed wont cover them for damages, if you want money you will have to sue the state/gov for false imprisonment. So in todays world people aren't executed as much unless it is Texas.

Now looks look at Europe as a whole. I don't know much about how peoples lives go in these countries except for what the media likes to say or what I read on youtube comments. Anyway before I move onto europe lets take a look at the US. Europeans describe Americans as violent fat people who take oil, probably soom truth in that. I don't see news of gang shootings or school shootings. Anyway according to the media violence is common in the US and Mexico and Europe seems to be fine place to live. Here in the US and Mexico you street gangs, organized crime groups, and drug cartels to the south. The gang culture is one of the most glorified things in youth. You hear mainstream rap songs about killing cops and loving bitches, you see kids wearing red or blue shirts, baseball caps, bandanas, tagging fences, and using firearms in the stupidest of ways. In california you have the Nortenos(red) who live north, and in the south you have Surenos(blue). These guys shoot at each other everyday, everyhour, everyminute. So we have people ages 14 to 21 killing each other in gang shootings. Now in the European countries I don't hear news of kids and young adults killing each other. I don't see news of overcrowding prisons or executions over there. What are we doing wrong? Do we outlaw capital punishment and hope our prisons dont overcrowd, or do we seek at the source of the violence and violate the 1st amendment to eliminate it? Outlaw the gang attire and rap, or outlaw the death penalty and watch our prisons overfill with prisoners.

Also each state varies from one another, but for right now California will be my example because California has the highest population in the nation. Also for those you who aren't familiar with gang culture, those Nortenos or Surenos don't care if kids or innocent lives are caught in the crossfire. They don't care if their rival is a fourteen years old or twentyone, they are at war and will continue to shoot eachother. Also if you think outlawing fire arms from peoples hand, then good luck. Most of their weapons are either stolen, smuggled in from Mexico, or have had the serial number removed.

Honestly it just matters on the crime, If you murdered people then yeah, you probably should get punished or life sentence.

I think it's necessary. People saying that killing a murderer is just as bad as what he did are stupid. There's a difference between killing innocent people and killing people who are a danger to others.

Anyways I just think that the money spent keeping people who will never change their ways in prison could be put to such better use.

The US has an incarceration rate of .75%, which is ludicrously high and the highest in the world. This isn't helped by the number of people per race being incarcerated, the highest belonging to the African Americans. There's plenty of white criminals, but the blacks are always the ones who end up in jail. There's even more Hispanics in jail than whites. Add this on top of the prison factories paying less then half a dollar per hour and you have what is functionally modern slavery.

death sentence should be kept in place and the process needs to be sped waaay up

used to be if you murdered someone you were hung in a month or even the next day, now it's more of a "see you in 15 years" kind of thing

murderers are going to kill people, even other prisoners (really love our prison security, nevermind border security!!!!)

oh also quit using the "texans execute everyone" stereotype, the state has executed 1,244 people since 1819 which is just as many deaths as chicago has in murders in 2 years

The state shouldn't have the power to kill people.

uh yeah it should and it's given that power

anything not specifically prohibited by the federal constitution or given to the federal government is a state issue, (and yes that means roe v wade should be overturned because nowhere in the constitution does it say anything about abortion) therefore states should be permitted to ban something if they so choose, i.e. the death penalty
« Last Edit: February 22, 2013, 12:54:22 PM by Kearn »

Why not offer people who have a life sentence a choice between that or a lethal injection?

The main reason for prisons filling up with inmates is due to the war on drugs, and drug laws implicate many people that do not really deserve to be in jail, even if they broke the law.

The main reason for prisons filling up with inmates is due to the war on drugs, and drug laws implicate many people that do not really deserve to be in jail, even if they broke the law.
This. Ending the war on drugs stuff will fix a lot.

On-Topic: It's only justified in certain situations.


oh also quit using the "texans execute everyone" stereotype, the state has executed 1,244 people since 1819 which is just as many deaths as chicago has in murders in 2 years


Those 2 figures are completely irrelevant to each other.


Having the death sentence doesn't do jack stuff to stop crime. Increasing punishment doesn't solve the problem of why there is so much crime. Are criminal system should be about rehabilitation not just pure punishment. It works pretty good for European countires but people seem to ignore that.

Our corrections system is a failure, all it does is removes dangerous people from society and then does nothing to change them and then spits them back out where they do more crime.

Are criminal system should be about rehabilitation not just pure punishment

you can't rehabilitate gang murderers who continue to kill each other in jail, if you'd just inject them a year after conviction it'd be much quicker than spending years trying to "rehabilitate" the jerk

Those 2 figures are completely irrelevant to each other.

not really!! the same amount of people have died in 2 years in chicago from gang violence than in 2 centuries from executions in texas so the stereotype that they kill everyone is dumb

Having the death sentence doesn't do jack stuff to stop crime.

corpses can kill oh ok

Our corrections system is a failure, all it does is removes dangerous people from society and then does nothing to change them and then spits them back out where they do more crime.
probably because the majority of prisoners live better in prison than on the streets
« Last Edit: February 22, 2013, 01:35:08 PM by Kearn »

probably because the majority of prisoners live better in prison than on the streets
In criminal justice our teacher said some inmates get used to the prison life that they dont know how to live in the outside world anymore.

Heres a statement to change all of you people who strongly resist punishment by death: Think about if someone murdered your family, raped you and destroyed your house. Would you want them to be killed or just left in a black room and you're not even sure if he is still there and not out there somewhere lurking and trying to hunt you down. Of course, the power of government to remove dangerous people from society is pretty forgeted up, but when other people fear for these people its not really worth it to let the dangerous feared person to live on. Its like trying to play Morrowind when everyone hates you. You'd rather just make a new character and delete your older one.

Most of you are acting like they do not get trials.