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Author Topic: Nations at War - Closing Time!  (Read 256123 times)

Free Rosyian troops manage to pour about 300,000 troops into the city before it is completely surrounded by government forces. Artillery begins firing en masse on the city. planes also drop bombs upon bombs. Troops inside wait for a ground assault.

Swat, this 500 mile range for your big gun as opposed to 300 miles needs to be put into perspective.

This proposition increases the range by over twice the maximum range of the Paris Gun, which had the longest range of any artillery ever.  Look at the map Wikipedia has on the Paris Gun page.  To put that in perspective again, a modern railgun has a range of a bit over 200 miles, so this proposed range hike increases said range by that of a railgun.  I can appreciate your points (backed up by mathematics or no), but the range of the Longbow will only be allowed the 300 miles which we compromised on, a number you suggested.

EDIT:  I actually did some algebra based physics and given known information on the Longbow (V0 = mach 7 = 2382.03 m/s) and assuming a 45 degree angle of elevation and not factoring in air resistance or the deployable wings (which, by the way, make little sense given that firing a railgun produces electromagnetic destruction, so the projectile should be incapable of getting any signals to do so, and by rights I think that deploying the wings would interfere with the trajectory of the gun given that it would produce some jolt.  If you could do it manually, even barring the jolt, the only feasible way I can think of would be to have the wings swept forward which lends itself to a decrease in lift.), the longbow should have a maximum range of a bit under 360 miles.  Take it or leave it, but I'd say that not factoring in air resistance is fairly generous considering that I don't think that the deployable wings are feasible (If you feel otherwise please provide an existing counterexample or evidence of some sort).
« Last Edit: January 12, 2014, 09:44:09 PM by Plethora »

This is just as funny as when Swat introduced XM into the other Earth thread and went super OP.  :cookieMonster:


This is just as funny as when Swat introduced XM into the other Earth thread and went super OP.  :cookieMonster:
Don't even start.  You're so full of controversy that no one can really credit you to anything.

Plethora, Erinaum has had railguns for at least without tech advancement halt, 20 years, and with tech advancement halt, 70+.  I think that Erinaum would have improved enough to get it at least to Mach 7.6 in its standard railguns, and since Longbow is Goliath in comparison to standard railguns, I think to say a 2014 comparison is not suited.  For example, the AK-47 has been around since 1949, and has since evolved into the AKM, but the technology hasn't experienced any major or revolutionary changes.  The mechanics were all within reach, and the mechanics for railguns would be nothing revolutionary in this time.  There are just better ways of assembling things, better materials available when tech advancement is in gridlock.

I get what you're saying about the guidance system though.

Also, best not to compare the Paris Gun and Longbow.  Apples and oranges.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2014, 09:52:09 PM by SWAT One »

AKM is an AK-47 lol.

Ak-47 -------------> AK-74

AKM is an AK-47 lol.

Ak-47 -------------> AK-74
forget you Wikipedia.

Ak-47 -------------> AK-74
And we can't forget the AK100(ish) series.



Plus, this thing fires at about Mach 7 with a 110kg shell, that's CRAZY momentum.
I'm sorry Swat, I didn't realize that you meant mach 7.6 when you said mach 7.
I'm not comparing the two guns, I'm just putting your range hike into perspective a little bit.
The math says that 360 miles should be the absolute maximum range without wind resistance or the turning of the earth affecting anything.  Please, please, please, please do not try to argue with the math.

AKM is an AK-47 lol.
I thought that was what he was trying to say

Mach 7 is the irl 2014 standard.  In this case, the math doesn't work with different values such as differentiating mass and an undetermined initial velocity.  We must assume that the maximum range is undetermined until we can do the math.

The reason I said Mach 7 is because that is the standard you were using.  Longbow has interchangeable assemblies to accellerate smaller masses with the same force, meaning to go faster than larger projectiles, which require much more energy to accelerate.

You're claiming this is concrete when there are too many variables to consider.  I said the ranges in an estimate, for those who could assess the in-RP circumstances and correct them from those standards.  Again, real life and earth rps tend to be apples and oranges, too.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2014, 07:14:37 AM by SWAT One »

I don't know what to tell you Swat, you said mach 7 and I plugged in mach 7.

Not too many variables.  I did this all the time last year in physics.  I plugged the numbers into one of the formulas for distance, and it told me 360 miles.  We agreed on 300 miles, I did some math to make sure I was being equitable, I raised the range cap to the mathematical maximum.  I hate math, but I will not defy it.

360 miles is 110 miles greater than the original cap, and 140 miles greater than current railgun capabilities.  It is the absolute range cap given the information you have provided.  The matter is closed unless you can mathematically produce some numbers for muzzle velocity for the various rounds.  Meanwhile, there is a lesser percentage loss of velocity due to air resistance with larger projectiles, so 360 miles will just have to do.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2014, 03:19:08 PM by Plethora »

why does it seem like the swats always kill the earth rp fun

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