Nations at War - Closing Time!

[grunterdb1951]

Don't bother.  UoU's gonna just forget you over.

Muslim can rejoin under my protection, so if UoU tries anything I'll just whoop his ass.

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[SWAT One]

No, he's gonna power game through it and ignore your military, and Plethora will say "handle it amongst yourselves."

Won't work.

[grunterdb1951]

No, he's gonna power game through it and ignore your military, and Plethora will say "handle it amongst yourselves."

Won't work.

If he does powergame he's going to be messing with the guy who pretty much made all the rules for the roleplay, as I made the original thread. And if he does he's a loving complete dolt and should be evicted from the rp.

[SWAT One]

It's why I question the "most-liked nation" thing.  They enacted unjust laws and then claimed that it was successful.  The civil rights movement was an inspiration in 20th century USA, and he went all "no it has no affect."

So yeah, expect:

• Powergaming
• Immoral Laws
• Lack of proper moderation.
• Lack of logic to actions and human factors.
• No appeal to humanity.  In a PM to me, "Humans are sheep."
• Complete ignorance of your own efforts to prevent invasion and common measures that you put up.

I left the RP for these reasons.

[grunterdb1951]

It's why I question the "most-liked nation" thing.  They enacted unjust laws and then claimed that it was successful.  The civil rights movement was an inspiration in 20th century USA, and he went all "no it has no affect."

So yeah, expect:

• Powergaming
• Immoral Laws
• Lack of proper moderation.
• Lack of logic to actions and human factors.
• No appeal to humanity.  In a PM to me, "Humans are sheep."
• Complete ignorance of your own efforts to prevent invasion and common measures that you put up.

I left the RP for these reasons.

I honestly consider UoU the most laughable nation because of all this, hardly the most liked. While Conservatia is pretty much a totalitarian military-backed monarchy, they have laws in place and multiple procedures to make life for their citizens enjoyable and give them a reason to stay. With a healthy dose of brainwashing.

The moment any of that happens and if Plethora decides to not do his job and evict him from the rp, I'll do us all a favor and force him out myself. Think of it like a citizens arrest. Only in this case I'm not arresting him as much as I am ignoring the fact he exists in this rp.

[Swat 3]

Conservatia advises the NTA to not question the lion. "The words of a inferior country are of no concern to us. Force has been used since the birth of man, and it is in our nature to dominate one another. Do you need another example?"

"No need." NTA gives its military more budget in defensive terms, this is unrelated to this conversation.

[Plethora]

SWAT, if you're just going to complain about the shortcomings of this RP, my laissez-faire hosting, powergaming (you're guilty of this as well), &c., you're more than welcome to set up a thread in the drama section.

UOU is part of the TP.  You would be destroyed mate.

In a PM to me, "Humans are sheep."

See Conservatia's motto.  You yourself said to me in PM that you agree with Conservatia's viewpoints (although I suspect that you just said it to thinly disguise the fact that the PEMU had no active nations other than Conservatia to pass land on to).
Btw, PEMU site is out of date, please update it or disband it because it's effectively just grunter, or whatever.

[grunterdb1951]

SWAT, if you're just going to complain about the shortcomings of this RP, my laissez-faire hosting, powergaming (you're guilty of this as well), &c., you're more than welcome to set up a thread in the drama section. It's the host duty to maintain order and deal with problems within the thread, not to tell the players to do it themselves. I knew that when I made the original, and you should know that too. I also like how you, before, wanted more players; Yet you decided to have this huge mass of a country, thus limiting the amount of land new players could have.

UOU is part of the TP.  You would be destroyed mate. We'll see, in due time. And if the UoU attacked a peaceful country, which you folks in TP seem to get a raging hard-on for, surely you'd side with the just side?

See Conservatia's motto. That's from a IC standpoint, as Lance stated the same from a OOC standpoint which isn't correct, and even then Conservatia's citizens are happy as the government (exempt the king) is trying to make them so. A country with a unhappy populace is a ticking time bomb. Which is essentially what UoU is considering the amount of handicapped moves and laws he's made. You yourself said to me in PM that you agree with Conservatia's viewpoints (although I suspect that you just said it to thinly disguise the fact that the PEMU had no active nations other than Conservatia to pass land on to).  There was also Belsnia.
Btw, PEMU site is out of date, please update it or disband it because it's effectively just grunter, or whatever.

Oh, and if I were you I'd have evicted UoU a while ago for the amount of powergaming. Just a word of advice from the guy who started this all.

[mlockha]

UOU is part of the TP.  You would be destroyed mate.

I do not agree with this.

[SWAT One]

The Erinamese believed in the views of sovereign land ownership.

The problem lies with the entire laissez-faire idea.  Grunter is absolutely right.  Remember how Anagaea went?  Luckily we knew how to keep our heads level most of the time and could manage ourselves because we had equal power distribution, but if we didn't, there would be no control moderation.

In fact, it really wasn't a laissez-faire system since you said "SWAT can only have a small riot movement, no large rebellions."  This was pointed out and I respected it within realism, but UoU conducted raids and attacks with little to no losses, and ignored thorough defense measures that were established prior, and those you had not enforced– you said no, but no action was taken to ensure that UoU wouldn't move according to your own rules.

Laissez-faire doesn't work.


As for PEMU's site, if grunter makes a weebly account and gives me his email, then I can let him edit it himself.

[Muslim]

-Insert flag here-
*coming soon*

Nation Name: Californatia
Government Type: Rugged Democracy

Economy Type: Trade
*Currency: Coins
*Currency in comparison to Euros: 3 coins = 1 euro

Population: 876,453
Religions: Freedom of
Languages: Californian, English

Map See above
*Major Cities: Maricacas, Sheepskin Mountain, Carritas Bay
Capital City: Carritas Bay

Trade Partners:
Alliances:
Organizations:

*Defcon Level: 5
Military Tech:
Mainly they use a very rough military type. You got a tree? Cut it in half. You got a gun? Put that tree with the gun until you have something. We make our own weapons out of stuff we find here in New Northern California (aka Californatia).

*= Optional

[SWAT One]

You just colored right over Conservatia's island thing.

[Muslim]

Californatia, the nation that once stood proud as Irrklaand. Now the military's scattered to Atsina, and the people gone west. What happens when that happens? The military follows. What happens when they find a good ripe place to live? They take it. Californatia was born. In the beginning, Californatia suffered riots as the nation figured out what to do. Then, they still couldn't decide, so the government went, "forget it. do what you want to do." There are rules, like no murdering, but the police are very relaxed and there's only one department for the country that is official, and that's the Californatia Royal Guard. The cities in Californatia have formed rugged gangs of people who keep the cities in line, like the Carritas Bay Snakes (aka Bay Snakes, which rule).

The nation has still not figured out what to do. They're not vulnerable, though. Everyone in the nation is military trained and has to fight for their survival at least once. The land is not very well formed and the cities are small. Carritas Bay, a government installment in the southern coastal tip of the nation, near the border, has only a thousand inhabitants, but a very high crime level. Military trained people, at a level of the SEALS from the old US, get bored a lot.

The nation would request an alliance with whoever will accept it.

You just colored right over Conservatia's island thing.

tbh its far from their land, color it back if it's really necessary

we also don't really mind that conservatia's there, and we'd like an alliance.

[Plethora]

As far as my way of hosting, it's your prerogative to have a different viewpoint.  But if I intercede I get charged with corruption and furthering the AC's ends, that the AC is an extension of host power, &c.  I'd rather have people more or less work it out on their own and if things get excessive to step in.  As regards the AC's size, I took it gradually, there was a solid span of time during which anyone could have stepped into Africa and blocked me - Abdullahi did, and if blazer had stuck with the RP the whole time, I'd still not have West Africa.  Also, I keep the AC an active nation, more or less; better to have five active nations than twenty half active ones.  I'm not necessarily looking for new nations, I'm looking for potentially active ones.

You're the one saying you'd go and clean the UOU's clock, what are you talking about the UOU attacking a peaceful nation?  As far as who I'd side with, I'd side with my ally.  I don't care if I back the "just" side, the AC honors its alliances; I was ready to side with fascist Belsnia because Belsnia was (and probably always will be) my ally, or at least to make sure that Belsnia's pre-fascist borders remained intact and to defend it, if not aid it in a war of aggression; and the same would apply with the UOU.

And perhaps most well liked nation doesn't apply universally, given that most of the nations that like/liked Utah quit and gave their land to it, so pro-UOU sentiment is greatly diluted.  Most well liked in some circles perhaps.  As far as "handicapped moves", my personal viewpoint is that communism and control economies are foolish, but I don't impose horrible economies on nations that use them in this RP; similarly people can make moves that I would say "that's stupid" to, but I won't impose crCIA on them (I may try to make it happen as a member of the RP, but not as host).

I appreciate your advise, even if I don't particularly intend to follow it given things as they are.

It's late right now, I don't feel like arguing.  If anyone feels he can do a better job as host than I have, I invite you to make NAW V4.  The RP has lasted longer in pages and time under my management (or lack thereof if you prefer) than under the last two (put together?).  When you find the perfect host let me know.

[grunterdb1951]

You're the one saying you'd go and clean the UOU's clock, what are you talking about the UOU attacking a peaceful nation?  As far as who I'd side with, I'd side with my ally.  I don't care if I back the "just" side, the AC honors its alliances; I was ready to side with fascist Belsnia because Belsnia was (and probably always will be) my ally, or at least to make sure that Belsnia's pre-fascist borders remained intact and to defend it, if not aid it in a war of aggression; and the same would apply with the UOU.

The topic at hand was that if Muslim were to join that if UoU were to start stuff I'd bend him over and spank him until his ass is neon red. Belsnia is also my ally, but if you're going to side with the UoU if they do in fact try anything then we'll be at war unfortunately.

the Carritas Bay Snakes (aka Bay Snakes, which rule).

we also don't really mind that conservatia's there, and we'd like an alliance. Yeah, sure.