Setro2: the boy who cried wolf.

[xSetrox]

M8
I' was going to voted to be investigated by everyone
and cavik just walks right up to me and waves his hand.
Thats EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS.
And then you start defending him saying he was inno
and call us dumbasses when he vote to shoot him.
And wheres this second rdm....
Cavik wasen't rdm
He was voted.

This has nothing to do with what I just said.
You killed me based on investigation, and it was considered rdm because:
-Insane Cop was alive
-Planter was alive.
Even if you killed 10 people and they all turned out to be maf, it was still rdm because you had no reason to kill them.
You started no vote over killing me, and just announced it and shot. That right there can get you shot, and is a valid rdm.
This is TomTom's server, and he has different rules. You obviously didn't read them, like I explained earlier.
He has 2 new roles: Planter and spy.
Spy has nothing to do with this, so I'll leave that out.
But planter has to right click someone in order to plant them, and you cannot see them click you, so you had no reason to shoot him either, but you started a vote, and that was a valid excuse.
Insane Cop gets random results when investigating someone, just like the official cop. The insane cop was not dead, therefore you could have been him.
You explain in the op that you weren't insane cop, but how would you know that?
There are many different accounts of proof that this was rdm.

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[IkeTheGeneric]

It's just as likely that he could've been either a normal cop, or an insane cop. He still shouldn't be punished for it.

What doesn't make any sense is why would you make a class that gets random results upon investigation, but punish anyone for acting on it? That kind of defeats the purpose of the class, does it not?

[CharlesSpeaking]

It's just as likely that he could've been either a normal cop, or an insane cop. He still shouldn't be punished for it.

What doesn't make any sense is why would you make a class that gets random results upon investigation, but punish anyone for acting on it? That kind of defeats the purpose of the class, does it not?

you are supposed to figure out which cop you are instead of shooting anyone that comes up suspicious

if a faulty cop is in the setup, you don't kill everyone you see, you try to find out which cop you are exactly

only one setup on regular mafia madness servers has a cop with completely random results, only a few have a cop with all innocent results, and the normal gamemode only has a real cop and a cop that always gets suspicious

if you don't know which cop you are, you're not supposed to kill over a guilty investigation. especially in a setup with the insane cop.

[IkeTheGeneric]

you are supposed to figure out which cop you are instead of shooting anyone that comes up suspicious

if a faulty cop is in the setup, you don't kill everyone you see, you try to find out which cop you are exactly

only one setup on regular mafia madness servers has a cop with completely random results, only a few have a cop with all innocent results, and the normal gamemode only has a real cop and a cop that always gets suspicious

if you don't know which cop you are, you're not supposed to kill over a guilty investigation. especially in a setup with the insane cop.

You still didn't help it make more sense... in fact, that just makes it look even more handicapped then before :/

[CharlesSpeaking]

You still didn't help it make more sense... in fact, that just makes it look even more handicapped then before :/

some ppl feel the same way as you, some ppl disagree

[IkeTheGeneric]

some ppl feel the same way as you, some ppl disagree

I don't see what that has to do with it :v

But yeah, the whole insane cop thing is a bad idea and it's only going to get people in trouble for acting in the heat of the moment

[CharlesSpeaking]

But yeah, the whole insane cop thing is a bad idea and it's only going to get people in trouble for acting in the heat of the moment

most good mafia madness players know they are not supposed to kill for a suspicious investigation unless they know they are the real cop though

[IkeTheGeneric]

most good mafia madness players know they are not supposed to kill for a suspicious investigation unless they know they are the real cop though

That just further proves why the whole insane cop gimmick is more trouble than it's worth.

There's just no real reason to have a class that's sole purpose is to get the investigation wrong and make things more confusing. Lolgonewrong shouldn't have been banned.

[CharlesSpeaking]

That just further proves why the whole insane cop gimmick is more trouble than it's worth.

There's just no real reason to have a class that's sole purpose is to get the investigation wrong and make things more confusing. Lolgonewrong shouldn't have been banned.

whether there is a 'real reason' or not, there is still an insane cop.

i'm pretty sure lolgonewrong isn't new to mafia madness, unless a relative used the key or a friend used the forum account. i don't know the exact circumstances. if someone killed over a para inevstigation on their first time as para or something, but lolgonewrong aka gigahappytown knows how to play mafia madness.

if giga's only argument is that he knew he was real cop without any actual proof, then i agree with his ban. but if he had a reason to believe he were the real cop, any sort of reason that proved to him he was -absolutely- not the insane cop nor the para cop, if he knew for sure, i don't support the ban.

lolgonewrong is not new to mafia madness.

[IkeTheGeneric]

I never said anything about Lolgonewrong being new to mafia madness, just that he shouldn't have been banned and that the whole "insane cop" thing is dumb.

And again, you're telling me that you don't know that you're an insane cop unless you get consistently accurate investigations? That just makes it even worse :/

[CharlesSpeaking]

I never said anything about Lolgonewrong being new to mafia madness, just that he shouldn't have been banned and that the whole "insane cop" thing is dumb.

And again, you're telling me that you don't know that you're an insane cop unless you get consistently accurate investigations? That just makes it even worse :/

there is only one single setup in mafia madness with the insane cop. a different setup makes the gameplay different. in the setup with an insane cop, if you are a cop, it is hard to figure out which cop you are. this role is in one single setup.

lolgonewrong is not new to mafia madness and should know things that standard MM players know, like not to kill as soon as you see a guilty investigation if you don't know which cop you are.

in the normal MM gamemode, it's not too hard to figure out which cop you are. if you get innocent in normal MM, you are not the para. the only two cops are para and normal.

in the gamemode consisting of the insane cop, the gameplay is different. you have to play differently, and it is harder to find out which cop you are. yet, there are still ways.

[ultimamax]

Setro is completely right.
Until you have definitive proof that somebody is maf, and not flimsy evidence, it should be considered an RDM, unless several people agree to kill that person, in which case it was a mis-vote.

[ultimamax]

noedit: if somebody accepts poor evidence that somebody's maf and kills them anyway, it shouldn't be considered an RDM, actually.

[Lolgonewrong]

Setro is completely right.
Until you have definitive proof that somebody is maf, and not flimsy evidence, it should be considered an RDM, unless several people agree to kill that person, in which case it was a mis-vote.

He was defending a maffia and begging that we not shoot him even though everyone voted against him and he turned out to be maffia.

whether there is a 'real reason' or not, there is still an insane cop.

i'm pretty sure lolgonewrong isn't new to mafia madness, unless a relative used the key or a friend used the forum account. i don't know the exact circumstances. if someone killed over a para inevstigation on their first time as para or something, but lolgonewrong aka gigahappytown knows how to play mafia madness.

if giga's only argument is that he knew he was real cop without any actual proof, then i agree with his ban. but if he had a reason to believe he were the real cop, any sort of reason that proved to him he was -absolutely- not the insane cop nor the para cop, if he knew for sure, i don't support the ban.

lolgonewrong is not new to mafia madness.

Charles
When have i ever killed someone out of a susp inv and they turned out to be good.
Never.
And that guy is right
Whats the purpose of putting a class with random results for inv and then punishing people for acting upon those random results because it makes them look like real cops since there not getting only para or only naive.

[Lolgonewrong]

This has nothing to do with what I just said.
You killed me based on investigation, and it was considered rdm because:
-Insane Cop was alive
-Planter was alive.
Even if you killed 10 people and they all turned out to be maf, it was still rdm because you had no reason to kill them.
You started no vote over killing me, and just announced it and shot. That right there can get you shot, and is a valid rdm.
This is TomTom's server, and he has different rules. You obviously didn't read them, like I explained earlier.
He has 2 new roles: Planter and spy.
Spy has nothing to do with this, so I'll leave that out.
But planter has to right click someone in order to plant them, and you cannot see them click you, so you had no reason to shoot him either, but you started a vote, and that was a valid excuse.
Insane Cop gets random results when investigating someone, just like the official cop. The insane cop was not dead, therefore you could have been him.
You explain in the op that you weren't insane cop, but how would you know that?
There are many different accounts of proof that this was rdm.

Oh and btw
Shooting someone and it turns out they were planted
is not rdm
Thats a planter doing what hes suppose to do its the game at is finest.
It woulden't be called maffia madness if he only shot someone if we 100 percent knew they were maffia
It would be boring
Thats why classes like insane cop and planter exist
To keep the game fresh and fun.