I'm in big trouble by the HOA

[DiceyGrammar]

I don't know, according to the Milgram experiment people will actually go to the extent of killing other human beings simply because a perceived authority figure (in this case a scientist in a lab coat) tells them to.

cool, but you're not factoring in physical threat at all, or the mindset of the people who you would be deterring. someone who is taking your uniform into consideration isn't likely to be the sort of person you're going to have issues with.

the people you'll have issues with will pretty much only take into consideration how much physical opposition you'll be to them.

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[$trinick]

Petty criminals don't defy psychology simply because they're in such a situation. That's an absurd claim to make.

[DiceyGrammar]

Petty criminals don't defy psychology simply because they're in such a situation. That's an absurd claim to make.

defy psychology? lol.

you've misunderstood that experiment if you take it as being applicable to all situations. there are far more factors at play in this scenario.
if someone is past the threshold of caring what uniform you're in (as a result of alcohol, drugs, general aggression, etc (factors not in the study btw)), what good is your experiment then? are you going to quote the study to them while they've got you pinned down? lol

[Ceist]

I agree with both parties. rinick should buildsome phys. Opposition tho if that were his job.

[DiceyGrammar]

i'm just surprised that he takes specific psychology experiments as being the bounds of human psychology no matter the circumstance nor situation

[Mariofan1701]

wow what a hoa

[Unwritten Calender]

wow what a hoa

ok.

[Destroyer]

I fail to see why they sent papers to your entire community with your pictures on them. They are taking a matter between the HOA and your family and putting it out so everyone can see it.

[AvailsMew]

ACTUALLY your Dad doesn't have to pay stuff. However, when you try to sell the house they will take the 5K.

[$trinick]

you've misunderstood that experiment if you take it as being applicable to all situations. there are far more factors at play in this scenario.
if someone is past the threshold of caring what uniform you're in (as a result of alcohol, drugs, general aggression, etc (factors not in the study btw)), what good is your experiment then? are you going to quote the study to them while they've got you pinned down? lol

The essence of the experiment (whether or not an being an authority figure actually makes a difference on judgement of others) is applicable to all situations. I'm not saying there aren't more factors at play, but on a psychological level everyone (including people who may break into gated complexes) is predisposed to obeying implied and expressed commands from authority. Drugs may deteriorate their ability to make intelligent decisions, but that's besides the point. What I was saying is that authority is derived from the uniform, not your muscular build. If someone's going to attack a security guard, it's not their muscular build they consider before doing so.

Regardless to that, and onto the original point: it isn't a security guard's job to use force to prevent unauthorized entry nor crime from occurring on premises. If someone fails to be reasoned with upon being confronted (this includes attacking you), it isn't your job to stop them. It's your job to call the police. Being attacked by potential criminals is an occupational hazard of the job regardless of the employee's muscular build and while you're correct in that being stronger will make it easier to protect yourself it's sort of irrelevant to your ability to actually perform the job you're hired to do. A gate guard is not a body guard.

[DiceyGrammar]

I'm not saying there aren't more factors at play, but on a psychological level everyone (including people who may break into gated complexes) is predisposed to obeying implied and expressed commands from authority.

it's the extent that matters. someone who is going to take on a security guard physically is hardly going to bend to their authority because they're predisposed to lol. they've already crossed that threshold.

If someone's going to attack a security guard, it's not their muscular build they consider before doing so.

what actually makes you think that? if i was going to take on anyone that'd be the first thing i'd consider?

[$trinick]

it's the extent that matters. someone who is going to take on a security guard physically is hardly going to bend to their authority because they're predisposed to lol. they've already crossed that threshold.

Disobedience isn't a line that you cross. If I'm speeding on the highway and a cop lights me up, I'm going to pull over because it's an authority. It doesn't matter that my car is faster than any car they could chase me with, and I'm confident that I would be able to avoid roadblocks up the road. People who intend on breaking laws may be deterred just by the presence of an authority in the same way.

what actually makes you think that? if i was going to take on anyone that'd be the first thing i'd consider?

If you were going to fight someone on the street, sure. But, if you've gotten yourself into a situation where you're going to attack a security guard the strength of the guard is kind of irrelevant. But, once again, being attacked is an occupational hazard, not part of the job description.

[DiceyGrammar]

i don't know if i should start using non-applicable scenarios and sweeping statements too or just give up lol

[$trinick]

How is my brown townogy to police a "non-applicable scenario"? It's a scenario where there is a person breaking a law and an authority figure trying to stop them. In the case of a gate guard, you're saying people stronger than I would choose to attack, so I compared that to the case of a person with a fast car being pulled over by the police. The variable of strength is being replaced with speed. Despite that a car may be faster than police officers (or, in the relevant scenario, stronger) most offenders tend to resign rather than run (or in this scenario, fight).

[DiceyGrammar]

How is my brown townogy to police a "non-applicable scenario"? It's a scenario where there is a person breaking a law and an authority figure trying to stop them.

completely different pressures on either party. different intents. not compatible

you'd be a horrible psychologist because you take psychology as a really linear thing lmao