Windows 8 issues "focusing"

[Blockzillahead]

Now give a screenshot of all the startup apps.

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[Kaphonaits²]

Kaph is also full of it. The new task manager is far better, you can see measurements of not only Cpu and memory usage of every process, but disk usage and network utilization as well. There are literally no downsides.

Sorry for being completely off-topic, but I had to type this as Kaph just needs to get his head out of the ground. He falls under one of those 'me no like change' caveman people.

if i didn't like change then why would i switch to linux mint 16 as my primary os?
the fact that the ui sucks is a really minor downside when you compare it to everything else.

secure boot is loving terrible.
considering you're citing how fancy the new task manager is, i feel like you don't really know much about what i'm talking about.

[Pecon]

I cited the task manager because you attacked it for having an 'absolutely terrible ui that shouldn't even be there'. I made a point-specific defense. As for secure boot, I think it's actually a great idea for the common user who won't be using the BIOS anyways (konboot you derp). You can access the BIOS if you need to anyways, and there is a specific process you can follow to take the computer off of secure boot if you seriously need to access the BIOS more than once or twice ever.

[Kaphonaits²]

I cited the task manager because you attacked it for having an 'absolutely terrible ui that shouldn't even be there'. I made a point-specific defense. As for secure boot, I think it's actually a great idea for the common user who won't be using the BIOS anyways (konboot you derp). You can access the BIOS if you need to anyways, and there is a specific process you can follow to take the computer off of secure boot if you seriously need to access the BIOS more than once or twice ever.

no i was talking about the entire os's ui. it's like constantly playing oblivion.
the fact that only signed things can boot through secure boot is horrible, and it's made even worse by the fact that keys have to be signed by microsoft. on top of that, ARM devices get completely forgeted because secure boot is mandatory on them and cannot be disabled.

edit: i'm not saying that secure boot is the equivalent to doomsday because there are ways to circumvent it, but that doesn't make it a good thing either.

[Pecon]

Once again

Think typical user mmkay?

Just because it makes it a pain to use some outdated (or otherwise obsolete) third-party devices and software doesn't make the whole thing trash. If you need to use ARM or unsigned systems (nice thing to note is that common Linux platforms such as Ubuntu work fine on windows with secureboot) you just have to find the appropriate workarounds. If that means windows 7 or a non-windows system, then by all means. It still doesn't make Windows 8 (or secure boot) trash.

[Blockzillahead]

Think typical user mmkay?

Okay. UI sucks, therefore Windows 8 is garbage. There's your typical user of Windows. People like how easy something is to operate, people do not like having confusing or useless features they will most likely never ever use. You shouldn't need workabouts for anything. You own the computer, not the other way around.

[Pecon]

Okay. UI sucks, therefore Windows 8 is garbage. There's your typical user of Windows. People like how easy something is to operate, people do not like having confusing or useless features they will most likely never ever use. You shouldn't need workabouts for anything. You own the computer, not the other way around.

Really.

90% of the UI is the exact same stuff from Windows 7. If you don't use apps, then you'll hardly ever need to touch the new interface. Just right click on the start button thing if you need your things.

[Kaphonaits²]

Once again

Think typical user mmkay?

Just because it makes it a pain to use some outdated (or otherwise obsolete) third-party devices and software doesn't make the whole thing trash. If you need to use ARM or unsigned systems (nice thing to note is that common Linux platforms such as Ubuntu work fine on windows with secureboot) you just have to find the appropriate workarounds. If that means windows 7 or a non-windows system, then by all means. It still doesn't make Windows 8 (or secure boot) trash.

i'm not even much of a fan of ubuntu anymore because canonical wants to breathe down my neck all of a sudden.
if secure boot was a non-trash thing then i wouldn't have to make work arounds for it. i seriously dislike microsoft taking my entire system hostage because they want to control what i can and cannot boot.

and this is on top of the CPU clock being an absolute nightmare as well as the app store.

[Georges]

Okay. UI sucks, therefore Windows 8 is garbage. There's your typical user of Windows. People like how easy something is to operate, people do not like having confusing or useless features they will most likely never ever use. You shouldn't need workabouts for anything. You own the computer, not the other way around.

I just wanna know, how much have you even used windows 8? I've been using it for over a month now, and I'm quite confused as to how people think the UI sucks...

[Pecon]

i'm not even much of a fan of ubuntu anymore because canonical wants to breathe down my neck all of a sudden.
if secure boot was a non-trash thing then i wouldn't have to make work arounds for it. i seriously dislike microsoft taking my entire system hostage because they want to control what i can and cannot boot.

and this is on top of the CPU clock being an absolute nightmare as well as the app store.

1. Typical users don't need to use Xubuntu or whatever other names they come up with for every dime-a-dozen variation of Linux. Just because Windows 8 doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean that it's bad for everyone. Since everything needs signatures, Microsoft has strived to try and reach out to developers of software to make sure as much legitimate software as possible is ready to use with Windows 8.

2. You don't have to use the store app. You don't have to use apps at all. If you're all up in arms about it, by all means, install things the classic way. Microsoft isn't trying to erase the desktop interface or anything.

3. Overclocking never was and never will be a manufacturer-supported dealing. Microsoft has no obligation to deal with your overclocking issues.

[Harm94]

http://reviews.cnet.com/windows/microsoft-windows-8-pro/4852-3672_7-35321713.html
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-7-outpacing-windows-8-adoption-shows-latest-figures-7000021383/
http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

[Kaphonaits²]

1. Typical users don't need to use Xubuntu or whatever other names they come up with for every dime-a-dozen variation of Linux. Just because Windows 8 doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean that it's bad for everyone. Since everything needs signatures, Microsoft has strived to try and reach out to developers of software to make sure as much legitimate software as possible is ready to use with Windows 8.

2. You don't have to use the store app. You don't have to use apps at all. If you're all up in arms about it, by all means, install things the classic way. Microsoft isn't trying to erase the desktop interface or anything.

3. Overclocking never was and never will be a manufacturer-supported dealing. Microsoft has no obligation to deal with your overclocking issues.

i'm not talking about windows 8 software, i'm talking about non-microsoft signed OSes.

overclocking used to not break the system clock, but with windows 8's amazing debut this has changed lol.

[Pecon]

i'm not talking about windows 8 software, i'm talking about non-microsoft signed OSes.

I too was talking about operating systems.

edit: both, if that wasn't clear.

[Blockzillahead]

I just wanna know, how much have you even used windows 8? I've been using it for over a month now, and I'm quite confused as to how people think the UI sucks...

Longer than you.

Really.

90% of the UI is the exact same stuff from Windows 7. If you don't use apps, then you'll hardly ever need to touch the new interface. Just right click on the start button thing if you need your things.

I'm pretty sure the removal of the start button, the metro screen, the new gestures and other options count for more than 10% of the UI.