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Except the Crusades should not be referred to as "Christian". Most of the people who carried out the crusades were not truly Christians, despite them claiming to be. Their actions and choices did not reflect a true faith in Christ. The message and purpose of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by many of the Crusader's actions as well.

Regardless, it is still violence.
Yes, except it is righteous and just in those contexts. God had every reason and right to destroy such cities.

Except the Crusades should not be referred to as "Christian". Most of the people who carried out the crusades were not truly Christians, despite them claiming to be. Their actions and choices did not reflect a true faith in Christ. The message and purpose of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by many of the Crusader's actions as well.
Yes, except it is righteous and just in those contexts. God had every reason and right to destroy such cities.
But it is still violent, therefore it is still conquering with violence.
Give a definition of a true Christian, if you are going to use it as a point for debate.

Yes, except it is righteous and just in those contexts. God had every reason and right to destroy such cities.
that doesn't change the fact that he "conquered" through violence
not to mention the fact that there is no excuse for killing...

But it is still violent, therefore it is still conquering with violence.
Give a definition of a true Christian, if you are going to use it as a point for debate.
A true Christian is one who trusts in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and His death on the cross as sufficient payment for their sins. They believe He rose again 3 days later, proving himself yet again to be the true and only Son of God.

Quote from: gotquestions.org
What about violence in war? Exodus 20:13 had been incorrectly translated as “do not kill,” but it literally means “do not murder.” God has allowed for just wars throughout the history of His people. From Abraham to Deborah to David, God’s people have fought as instruments of judgment from a righteous and holy God. Romans 13:1-4 tells us to submit ourselves to government authorities and that nations have the right to bear the sword against evildoers, both foreign and domestic.

Violence occurs, but we must recognize the difference between holy judgment on sin and our own personal vendettas against those we dislike, which is the inevitable outcome of pride (Psalm 73:6). While men are more prone to accept violence (especially as cultures depict real men as those who never cry, always have a plan, and carry a gun), the wisest man of all time wrote, “Do not envy a violent man or choose any of his ways” (Proverbs 3:31). Prayer and patience beats violence and anger on any day.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-violence.html

The difference between this and when I was talking about Christ's message being nonviolent is that God has given you freedom to choose on your own of whether to follow Him or follow Satan. Your answer to God's offer of salvation is one that you are free to choose on your own. The Israelites were justified in their use of violence in war because it was for the purpose of God's justice being carried out for a specific period of time on specific places or cultures. Using violence to force you to accept Christ as your personal savior, however, is unacceptable means of spreading the gospel.

that doesn't change the fact that he "conquered" through violence
not to mention the fact that there is no excuse for killing...
God had every right to take the lives of those He destroyed. They were the ones who were without excuse. All of us have rebelled against Him and deserve His judgement- it's only through trusting in Christ that we are spared from this judgement. The Canaanites for example, were a wicked and perverted culture that were into cultic prostitution and child sacrifice by fire. God gave them over 400 years to repent of their wicked ways but they continued to reject Him again and again. He didn't have to show such grace to them, but He did, and they still refused his offer of forgiveness. Therefore He used the Israelites as a tool of judgement on them and completely destroyed their nation.
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Then by your definition they were true Christians.

Then by your definition they were true Christians.
Who were true Christians? The Crusaders? No. The wars they fought in had no biblical basis or basis in instructions from God, in contrast to the Israelites. The Crusades were the acts of wicked men who for the most part believed in a distorted message of the Christian faith.

By the definition of what I asked, a lot of them were.

What exactly was your question anyway? I skimmed your posts again and none were in the form of a question.

Sorry, I meant the definition of a true Christian. As they did believe in Christ being their savior and dying for their sins and rising 3 days later.

Who were true Christians? The Crusaders? No. The wars they fought in had no biblical basis or basis in instructions from God, in contrast to the Israelites. The Crusades were the acts of wicked men who for the most part believed in a distorted message of the Christian faith.

The Crusaders weren't fighting for Jesus.  They just wanted to kick the Muslims out of Jerusalem.

Regardless, many of the soldiers and such were "true" Christians.

The Crusaders weren't fighting for Jesus.  They just wanted to kick the Muslims out of Jerusalem.
doesn't mean they weren't conquering through violence rather than "love and" whatever he said


They also always want to see my grades on assignments. I don't show them to anybody, they are PRIVATE. Also they throw away their food in the cafeteria, after eating like 10% of it. Why would you take so much food if you wont eat it all? Have you SEEN Africa?


At my school 85% of the kids there get free launches because there poor. That is why they throw away there launches at 90% of there launch.
They just don't care.

doesn't mean they weren't conquering through violence rather than "love and" whatever he said
When I was talking about Christ conquering through love rather than violence, I was talking about the matter of salvation, not territorial disputes.

Sorry, I meant the definition of a true Christian. As they did believe in Christ being their savior and dying for their sins and rising 3 days later.

There is no way of knowing how many of them actually trusted in Christ, but the actions of many of the crusaders clearly reflected that they did not believe in Christ. Another thing to remember is that the Roman Catholic Church is the religious group that primarily ordered the Crusades to be carried out. There are many issues with the Catholic Church itself that teach a confusing message and false interpretation of multiple biblical texts, and as such, this easily opened up opportunities for false beliefs and blasphemy that lead to a flawed understanding of the Bible.
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