Author Topic: why aren't nuts talking about how cancer treatment causes autism or something???  (Read 3625 times)

lets take a step back
why are we trying to worsen the population problem here

lets take a step back
why are we trying to worsen the population problem here
I'm pretty sure Social Darwinism has long since gone away.

BUT it's possible.  Better safe than sorry.

No, that's wrong. That's not how science works. There is no evidence to support that vaccinations cause autism. But there is a very real danger of losing herd immunity.


lets take a step back
why are we trying to worsen the population problem here

There is no population problem. Earth can sustain it's current population no problem. Feeding everyone isn't a problem with the supply, but a problem with getting the food to people.

because only fellow dumbnuts will agree with them, hell, some dumbnuts would call the other dumbnut "stupid"
the rest of society would just roll their eyes and continue trying to find the true cure

There is no evidence to support that vaccinations cause autism. But there is a very real danger of losing herd immunity.

I never said that "Vaccines cause autism." My mom doesn't think that "Vaccines cause autism." There are possibilities that problems can exist in the preservatives that can cause undesired side effects that are worse than the disease that it is preventing though.  Usually, if it's something really bad, we end up getting the vaccine.

Back in the 1500s, there was no evidence that Earth was the center of the solar system, but there was no evidence that it wasn't either.  Obviously, we all know the answer now.  I just think that the vaccine research is still premature and there are no assumptions that can be made yet, so might as well not get the almost useless vaccines.

I never said that "Vaccines cause autism." My mom doesn't think that "Vaccines cause autism." There are possibilities that problems can exist in the preservatives that can cause undesired side effects that are worse than the disease that it is preventing though.  Usually, if it's something really bad, we end up getting the vaccine.

Back in the 1500s, there was no evidence that Earth was the center of the solar system, but there was no evidence that it wasn't either.  Obviously, we all know the answer now.  I just think that the vaccine research is still premature and there are no assumptions that can be made yet, so might as well not get the almost useless vaccines.

Nope you don't understand science. Vaccinations aren't some new science nobody understands. They've been researched for quite some time, it would take some massive game changing thing to make it so vaccinations aren't a smart choice. I know it's best to not go to name calling but man you're a loving idiot.

I never said that "Vaccines cause autism." My mom doesn't think that "Vaccines cause autism." There are possibilities that problems can exist in the preservatives that can cause undesired side effects that are worse than the disease that it is preventing though.  Usually, if it's something really bad, we end up getting the vaccine.
Vaccine production is incredibly safe and rigid tests are put into place to ensure almost complete drug safety.

There are so many drug lawyers out there that if a business even came close to slipping up they would go bankrupt paying a settlement.

Nope you don't understand science. Vaccinations aren't some new science nobody understands. They've been researched for quite some time, it would take some massive game changing thing to make it so vaccinations aren't a smart choice. I know it's best to not go to name calling but man you're a loving idiot.

No room for opinions I guess.

Read some of this, Mr. Expert.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Read the parts on some choice ones where it says "Mild Problems" and/or "Severe Problems"
Some of these don't look very fun, do they?  These are not just stupid assumptions made by some wannabe paranoid mom over the Internet.  My doctor's office gives out gobs of papers explaining potential side effects.  If you go and tell me you are smarter than doctors, go to medical school and revolutionize the world.  K?

I also love how they include the probability, 1 out of a million? You have a better chance of dying in a car accident.

I also love how they include the probability, 1 out of a million? You have a better chance of dying in a car accident.

Note how the majority are not 1 in a million.  Several of the major side effects even go down to 1/100.

Note how the majority are not 1 in a million.  Several of the major side effects even go down to 1/100.

You still have a better chance of dying in a car accident

No room for opinions I guess.

Read some of this, Mr. Expert.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Read the parts on some choice ones where it says "Mild Problems" and/or "Severe Problems"
Some of these don't look very fun, do they?  These are not just stupid assumptions made by some wannabe paranoid mom over the Internet.  My doctor's office gives out gobs of papers explaining potential side effects.  If you go and tell me you are smarter than doctors, go to medical school and revolutionize the world.  K?
Vaccinations are dead or partially alive versions of disease causing cells. It is not uncommon for people to experience mild versions of a sickness after a vaccine because a vaccine exposes your white blood cells to the impaired version of a disease.

Honestly you should be more concerned about the content of your mountain dew and doritos rather than if you are going to develop some life changing handicap from a vaccine.
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There are possibilities that problems can exist in the preservatives that can cause undesired side effects that are worse than the disease that it is preventing though.  Usually, if it's something really bad, we end up getting the vaccine.

Quote from: RationalWiki
Thiomersal (also commonly known by its U.S. marketing name "Thimerosal") is a mercury-containing compound used as a preservative in many vaccines. The fact that some mercury compounds are toxic has led many to conclude that vaccines containing this compound are dangerous. Many mercury compounds, particularly those with mercury-carbon bonds, are neurotoxins, such as dimethylmercury.

While in large doses thiomersal can be toxic, a 2002 study indicated that the mercury levels in infants receiving a vaccine preserved by an appropriate amount of thiomersal were low; some were so low that they could not be measured. The toxicity of mercury compounds found in fish oil pills is likely to exceed that of thiomersal. By definition, this means the blood concentrations of mercury were below the EPA guidelines. (The amount of mercury in stool samples was higher than normal, although this is an indicator that the body was eliminating the thiomersal, rather than accumulating it.)

Quote from: Wikipedia
A 2004 Institute of Medicine (IOM) committee favored rejecting any causal relationship between thiomersal-containing vaccines and autism. Autism incidence rates increased steadily even after thiomersal was removed from childhood vaccines. Currently there is no accepted scientific evidence that exposure to thiomersal is a factor in causing autism.

I just think that the vaccine research is still premature and there are no assumptions that can be made yet, so might as well not get the almost useless vaccines.

you know except it WORKS

Read some of this, Mr. Expert.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Read the parts on some choice ones where it says "Mild Problems" and/or "Severe Problems"
Some of these don't look very fun, do they?  These are not just stupid assumptions made by some wannabe paranoid mom over the Internet.  My doctor's office gives out gobs of papers explaining potential side effects.  If you go and tell me you are smarter than doctors, go to medical school and revolutionize the world.  K?

Quote from: the link you just loving posted
It is not clear whether these mild or serious problems were caused by the vaccine or occurred after vaccination by chance.

Like any medicine, a vaccine could cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction.

oh should we just boycott regular medicine because that has side effects too?

and in fact, all of the "Severe Problems" listed are only 1/100000, sometimes even 1/1000000, excepting the ones in the introduction since those are not known to be caused from the vaccine.

Quote from: the link you just loving posted
Problems that could happen after any vaccine:
  • Brief fainting spells can happen after any medical procedure, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting, and injuries caused by a fall. Tell your doctor if you feel dizzy, or have vision changes or ringing in the ears.
  • Severe shoulder pain and reduced range of motion in the arm where a shot was given can happen, very rarely, after a vaccination.
  • Severe allergic reactions from a vaccine are very rare, estimated at less than 1 in a million doses. If one were to occur, it would usually be within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.

Note how the majority are not 1 in a million.  Several of the major side effects even go down to 1/100.

No, actually, that's only on the "Mild" or "Moderate" symptoms. The only ones that are reported by 1/100 are in the intro, and nowhere else, and even then are not guaranteed to be caused by the vaccine itself.

No room for opinions I guess.

I'm sorry but this is like the fifth time you've said this in five different situations and it's really starting to cheese me off.

You're open to giving your opinion whenever, but it's not some magical shield that's supposed to invalidate criticism. You are wrong about vaccinations and you should totally do a bit more research on it. Your way of thinking is harmful. The last thing we need is discouraging people from getting themselves and their children vaccinated.

Oh no I might get temporary muscle soreness from a vaccination. Better just risk loving polio.