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BUT it's possible.  Better safe than sorry.


The real irony here is that it's actually really dangerous to skip out on your vaccinations because you can infect other people when you get sick.

I'm not an expert on the subject, and maybe I'm just paranoid because I have a severely autistic brother, but I do believe that vaccines (might) be able to trigger autism. Not in normal children though. Almost everyone can go get a vaccine and be safe, because they don't have autism genes. Though, some children, mostly those born with a high chance of autism, for example, if the siblings were autistic, could be triggered to become autistic or at least have it come on sooner. Autistic people have very powerful immune systems, they very rarely get sick, and I think that the vaccines don't mix well with that.

I really don't have much of an idea of what I'm talking about, so I probably worded a lot of that wrong. Anyway, my point is that vaccines are not going to cause autism in normal people, and the nuts saying that are idiots. Vaccines (might) have the potential to trigger autism in young children with high chances of it.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2014, 11:44:54 PM by McZealot »

Almost everyone can go get a vaccine and be safe, because they don't have autism genes. Though, some children, mostly those born with a high chance of autism, for example, if the siblings were autistic, could be triggered to become autistic or at least have it come on sooner. Autistic people have very powerful immune systems, they very rarely get sick, and I think that the vaccines don't mix well with that.
That's not really how vaccines work. Vaccination works in conjunction with your immune system, delivering certain proteins from the disease(s) that allow your immune system to form antibodies that protect against the real, living version. There's really nothing to suggest that someone with a stronger immune system would have an adverse reaction to vaccines. (excluding allergic reactions)

Furthermore, genes do not have to be 'triggered' to cause autism. Simplistically speaking, DNA contains the information needed to make proteins, and it happens no matter what. If you have two identical twins who both have the exact same genetic material that includes the genes for autism, you will not see any difference in how soon it manifests if you give one kid a vaccine and one kid a placebo.


lets take a step back
why are we trying to worsen the population problem here
We're not. Poorer communities generally have trouble making their infrastructure better able to support population growth when all their infants are dying and people are getting sick from polio/diptheria outbreaks.

Some of these don't look very fun, do they?  These are not just stupid assumptions made by some wannabe paranoid mom over the Internet.  My doctor's office gives out gobs of papers explaining potential side effects.  If you go and tell me you are smarter than doctors, go to medical school and revolutionize the world.  K?
You're being such an ignorant cunt right now that I feel obligated to explain in greater detail why your philosophy on vaccinations is so handicapped and destructive.





Meet Variola. It's a few tens of nanometers big, it likes long walks on the beach, and it causes a disease called smallpox. Variola has two different forms, Variola minor & Variola major.

Variola minor is like the younger brother of the two. It doesn't infect people as often, and when it does it's generally less fatal, causing deaths in around 1% of the infected. Essentially, no one cares about Variola minor.


However, Variola major is a mean mother forgeter. A really, really mean motherforgeter. Variola major is responsible for causing the most common and unfortunately the most severe type of smallpox. You can probably tell from the name, but the disease causes hundreds of pustules and hemorrhagic sores to erupt all over your body. All in all, this type of smallpox kills around 30-35% of its victims, and even more if they're young or elderly.

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CONTEXT: The survival rate of the most common type of smallpox is lower than most common cancers

"Okay, so we know smallpox sucks. But so does Ebola, and we don't get vaccinated for that! What's the point?"

The biggest issue is that although smallpox is extremely deadly, it's also incredibly contagious. Turns out, having pustules all over your body full of viral material tends to spread disease really well. Who knew?

Now, smallpox has basically been the scourge of mankind for thousands of years. It's been estimated that the disease likely emerged by about 10,000 B.C., and the countless outbreaks and epidemics it's caused are well-documented in history. The extent of the deadliness of smallpox is hard to quantify simply because it's so damn massive, but I'll try. In the 20th century alone (which only had smallpox for ~70 out of 100 years), 300-500 million people died from smallpox.

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OTHER WAYS TO UNDERSTAND HOW BADLY SMALLPOX SUCKS:
-The amount of deaths caused by smallpox exceed the combined fatalities of every world war in history.
-The number of people who died in 9/11 is ~0.00000749% of the amount of people who died from smallpox in the 20th century alone.
-The total estimated deaths caused by World War II (60,000,000) is approximately 15% the amount of people who died from smallpox in the 20th century.
-Create an image in gimp with the dimensions of 10000 pixels by 40000 pixels. Every pixel in this image is a fatality from smallpox in the 20th century.
-Deaths by smallpox probably represent a whole-number percentage of everyone who has died ever.

As you should be able to tell by now, smallpox is essentially the worst thing in history.

But here's where the happy part begins:

Smallpox vaccines have been around for a long time, but the disease largely persisted in parts of Africa and the Middle East where the vaccination programs weren't as focused or less effective. The campaign for a world-wide eradication of smallpox started around the 50s, and was completed by 1977.

Let me repeat for emphasis,

Vaccines managed to eradicate a disease responsible for more deaths and more disfigurements than every world war in history combined... in less than 30 years.

Now that I've shown you how medical advancements enabled humanity to eradicate one of the worst scourges to ever afflict the human race, I want you to reassess your position on vaccines.

Do you still think that vaccines are not worthwhile because in a very small minority of people, they produce serious side effects?

I hope for your sake that you don't have to think twice when answering that question.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2014, 01:05:02 AM by SeventhSandwich »

Hey guys, guess what.

I don't take vaccinations. But I don't, nor does anyone in my family, have issues with that stuff. Why, you ask? It's called taking care of your body in the first place. And I ain't talking about going to the gym or anything like that - I'm talking eating properly, getting those truly healthful foods in your body - not Raisin Bran or Nutri-Grain bars, but instead apples and peas and peppers and homemade smoothies. Call me a health-nut if you want, but it's worked for us for years, and our recovery time from sickness when we do get sick is really quick - something which is not easy in a family of seven. So y'all can continue believing in your vaccines - which may do some good, I'm not bashing 'em - but I'll just make sure to take care of my body from the root of the problem and not have to worry about the extravagant medical crap. That saying, "You are what you eat" holds more truth than most people realize.

Hey guys, guess what.

I don't take vaccinations. But I don't, nor does anyone in my family, have issues with that stuff. Why, you ask? It's called taking care of your body in the first place. And I ain't talking about going to the gym or anything like that - I'm talking eating properly, getting those truly healthful foods in your body - not Raisin Bran or Nutri-Grain bars, but instead apples and peas and peppers and homemade smoothies. Call me a health-nut if you want, but it's worked for us for years, and our recovery time from sickness when we do get sick is really quick - something which is not easy in a family of seven. So y'all can continue believing in your vaccines - which may do some good, I'm not bashing 'em - but I'll just make sure to take care of my body from the root of the problem and not have to worry about the extravagant medical crap. That saying, "You are what you eat" holds more truth than most people realize.
much anecdote

very impress

Look at this way. Why should you have to worry about an unvaccinated person infecting you if you have taken the vaccine?

Look at this way. Why should you have to worry about an unvaccinated person infecting you if you have taken the vaccine?
Technically every person who isn't vaccinated makes everyone else less immune to disease. The vaccines aren't 100% effective and it works best when you're surrounded by a buffer zone of other vaccinated persons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity



The reality here is that there is literally no reason why anyone should refuse vaccination. It's arguably one of the most successful medical advancements in the history of technology, and it provides the safest and easiest method of containing and eradicating infectious diseases. 
« Last Edit: March 07, 2014, 02:37:11 AM by SeventhSandwich »

I'm pretty sure Social Darwinism has long since gone away.
Just because something "goes away" doesn't mean it's wrong.
Just saying, that's a dumb point.

Just because something "goes away" doesn't mean it's wrong.
Just saying, that's a dumb point.

well actually it is wrong but you know

I'm pretty sure Social Darwinism has long since gone away.
What are you talking about? I still people apply Darwin's theories to people.

Hey guys, guess what.

I don't take vaccinations. But I don't, nor does anyone in my family, have issues with that stuff. Why, you ask? It's called taking care of your body in the first place. And I ain't talking about going to the gym or anything like that - I'm talking eating properly, getting those truly healthful foods in your body - not Raisin Bran or Nutri-Grain bars, but instead apples and peas and peppers and homemade smoothies. Call me a health-nut if you want, but it's worked for us for years, and our recovery time from sickness when we do get sick is really quick - something which is not easy in a family of seven. So y'all can continue believing in your vaccines - which may do some good, I'm not bashing 'em - but I'll just make sure to take care of my body from the root of the problem and not have to worry about the extravagant medical crap. That saying, "You are what you eat" holds more truth than most people realize.

My family isn't really healthful eating (we eat fruit and vegetables and stuff, but not as much as many people), but we make up for it in hand sanitizer. Germ-X? No. My mom orders these exclusive hand sanitizers from these private medical websites and researches them for hours on end. Doing so has prevented me from getting really sick (vomiting due to sickness or worse) for 9 years and counting.

Before I'm criticized for spewing trash, notice how most people who use hand sanitizers only do so like once a day and its always the cheap kind. I use it after using public bathrooms, before eating, coming home from school, and even just because. It can amount to ten times or more per day.

Or you can wash your hands with soap and warm water like a normal person

Or you can wash your hands with soap and warm water like a normal person

Or I can do both like a better than normal person.

What else can they put in hand sanitizers besides alcohol and some oils for your hands that would make it more effective?