WTF PAKISTAN??

[The Magical Dunes]

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thanks relativist rudy.

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[SeventhSandwich]

If you took ap history you would recognize this image.

I'm taking AP history this next school year. I didn't know that you meant cultural imperialism, but I still don't see how upholding the idea that murder is bad counts as cultural imperialism. Like, human societies unanimously view murder as a bad thing. Just because someone feels religiously motivated to murder someone doesn't make it cultural imperialism to condemn that. Why are you even defending this to begin with? Like, what's your aim here?

I think they teach about the primordial soup theory as if it was fact in science classes. It should probably be presented more along the lines of, look at this theory, it seems reasonable.

None of my science classes to date have even gone over primordial soup theory, abiogenesis, the Miller-Urey experiment, or anything like that. Pretty much the only reason I know about this stuff is because I'm passionate about science and have read about it outside of the classroom.

[Doomonkey]

None of my science classes to date have even gone over primordial soup theory, abiogenesis, the Miller-Urey experiment, or anything like that. Pretty much the only reason I know about this stuff is because I'm passionate about science and have read about it outside of the classroom.

Hmm. I am pretty sure my classes have. I may be misremembering though.

Also, an interesting thought:
Why no one should have to be killed for something such as marriage:
 - One could argue that a person born unto a society might have to follow the rules of that society, regardless of whether or not they subscribe to them. It might be unfortunate that they live in that area and that the society they live in has those rules, but that is just how it is in that region and who are we to decide if their culture is okay or not?
 - But wait, we are saying that even if a particular person does not subscribe to a culture, they should still abide by the rules because they live in that culture. It just so happens that Pakistan is on the planet Earth, and the planet Earth has the general culture that killing people about marriage is bad. So even though the culture in Pakistan may not subscribe to the Earth culture, by the logic above, they should still have to abide by the rules because the Earth is bigger and more powerful.

[SeventhSandwich]

Also, an interesting thought:
Why no one should have to be killed for something such as marriage:
 - One could argue that a person born unto a society might have to follow the rules of that society, regardless of whether or not they subscribe to them. It might be unfortunate that they live in that area and that the society they live in has those rules, but that is just how it is in that region and who are we to decide if their culture is okay or not?
 - But wait, we are saying that even if a particular person does not subscribe to a culture, they should still abide by the rules because they live in that culture. It just so happens that Pakistan is on the planet Earth, and the planet Earth has the general culture that killing people about marriage is bad. So even though the culture in Pakistan may not subscribe to the Earth culture, by the logic above, they should still have to abide by the rules because the Earth is bigger and more powerful.

I think that people should be free to express their culture in any way that doesn't hurt other people. Killing someone because it's 'in your culture' doesn't excuse the fact that you just killed a person. Any sane person would agree with me, and so I'm pretty sure that Harm94 is arguing with me just for the sake of flexing his historical muscles and showing me some tribal imagery from the 19th and early 20th century that everyone has seen before.

[ResonKinetic]

some tribal imagery from the 19th and early 20th century that everyone has seen before.

Ha, that's where you're wrong, fellow!

For I do not know of what that stuff is! Tallyho!

[Harm94]

I'm taking AP history this next school year. I didn't know that you meant cultural imperialism, but I still don't see how upholding the idea that murder is bad counts as cultural imperialism. Like, human societies unanimously view murder as a bad thing. Just because someone feels religiously motivated to murder someone doesn't make it cultural imperialism to condemn that. Why are you even defending this to begin with? Like, what's your aim here?

While I condemn stoning people as form of religious punishment, there are too many people in the world that believe that the rest of the world has respect them and be just like them. The Romans did it, the British did it, the Germans did it, the US did it, and all it did was bring death and hatred.

The Native Americans were almost wiped out because they were seen as inferior beings simply because of their simple, yet primitive life style. The Romans enslaved all those that they conquered, the children of the slaves would be indoctrinated into living as Romans. The Germans sterilized, killed, purged, imprisoned anyone who was not pure, was of a different ideology, or of a different race. The British turned the indigenous peoples in the lands the conquered into lower class servants or they would exterminate them if they resisted. Such events happened in Australia with the aborigionals and with the Native American's in Canada and the former American colonies.

When a culture is wiped out, you lose many things. You lose knowledge of science, knowledge of art and architecture, knowledge of farming, you lose a language, you lose old customs, mathematics, medical knowledge, history, ect.

[SeventhSandwich]

While I condemn stoning people as form of religious punishment, there are too many people in the world that believe that the rest of the world has respect them and be just like them. The Romans did it, the British did it, the Germans did it, the US did it, and all it did was bring death and hatred.

The Native Americans were almost wiped out because they were seen as inferior beings simply because of their simple, yet primitive life style. The Romans enslaved all those that they conquered, the children of the slaves would be indoctrinated into living as Romans. The Germans sterilized, killed, purged, imprisoned anyone who was not pure, was of a different ideology, or of a different race. The British turned the indigenous peoples in the lands the conquered into lower class servants or they would exterminate them if they resisted. Such events happened in Australia with the aborigionals and with the Native American's in Canada and the former American colonies.

When a culture is wiped out, you lose many things. You lose knowledge of science, knowledge of art and architecture, knowledge of farming, you lose a language, you lose old customs, mathematics, medical knowledge, history, ect.

Well, okay. That seems entirely tangential to everything I said originally, but I guess I agree with you?

[Clone v.117]

Saying "wtf its 2014" isn't really a logical expression, it's easy to forget that not everywhere in the world is it as "civilized" as where you live.
I got to know a woman when I was in the Philippines that has been chased from island to island by her own family trying to kill her.
Just because it doesn't happen near you doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and it definitely happens.

[Candy Apple]

Not surprised, but this is just some stuff being overplayed by the media to make Islam look bad.

[Harm94]

Saying "wtf its 2014" isn't really a logical expression, it's easy to forget that not everywhere in the world is it as "civilized" as where you live.
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There are still tribes of humans that have not had little to no contact what so ever with modern humans and have lived as their ancestors did during the stone age.

[The Magical Dunes]

There are still tribes of humans that have not had little to no contact what so ever with modern humans and have lived as their ancestors did during the stone age.

what a shame...

[Clone v.117]

what a shame...

I don't see how it's a shame, I think it's good that there are still people living naturally.
We only think things are better because we have them.

[Char]

I think it's good that there are still people living naturally.

we kinda are living naturally, too
i mean we are using what we have made to live longer lives
even though it's man-made, it's still natural
I mean, we don't make this distinction for any other animal, just humans (though I guess we do put ourselves higher than every other animal)

We only think things are better because we have them.

I don't see how this is the case, unless you think that longer lives, lower infant mortality, more comfort, easy access to clean water, plenty of food, the ability to store food for longer, and so on are not better than the reverse.

[sir dooble]

When a culture is wiped out, you lose many things. You lose knowledge of science, knowledge of art and architecture, knowledge of farming, you lose a language, you lose old customs, mathematics, medical knowledge, history, ect.

No one gives a stuff if a tradition is lost if it involves the public execution of an innocent through an excessive and brutal means. The world isn't losing out by stamping out such traditions.
Your examples of Imperialism have no relation to public opinion on 'honor killing'.

And traditions are lost every year in every culture, both first and third world cultures. Stop crying over spilt milk and go do something productive, rather than being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

[Clone v.117]

I don't see how this is the case, unless you think that longer lives, lower infant mortality, more comfort, easy access to clean water, plenty of food, the ability to store food for longer, and so on are not better than the reverse.

It's not something that can be put on a set scale of bad - good, people will have their own ideas of what is better or worse.
Where you say that modern life and comfort is better than living in a tribe, the people in that tribe may look at our modern world as if it is worse than theirs. Hunters for example have no need to store food for long periods of time, they take only what they need to eat and then go out again when they need more food, meaning no over fishing, destroying the ecosystem, etc. They can live without war or the worries of people such as ourselves. Like I said we think that what we have is better because we are the ones that have it and see those who don't as more primitive, when they can be living healthy lives that they enjoy fine and would prefer not to live as we do.
Think of how many people are depressed in our society (its a lot) due to the kinds of lives we live, living a simpler life where you don't have to worry about those things isn't so bad.