Author Topic: Apple's master plan may have been revealed.  (Read 10066 times)

I don't care what the dailymail told you, it is not a technological leap forward. Read takato's post, he said it.
I'm pretty sure higher quality audio is technological progression, whether you want to adopt it or not.

How, exactly, do you think we make progress with technology? Seems to me like we do something called innovate. Often, that comes with consequences and people being against it. But the facts don't lie. If you're going to innovate, someone has to take the first step towards trying new things. What, did you think that the 3.5mm Jack would last forever, when basic technology principle states that if there is a better (and I mean factually better, not based on what people think) way of doing something, it will be tried. This is simply how it works.

The bottom line is this: I don't care about any of your opinions on the matter at the moment. This sounds harsh, but it's reality. Reason? Maybe it's because it's too early to form a solid opinion. We can speculate, sure - but "knowing" right off the bat that's it's "gonna suck" is a little presumptuous, especially when it hasn't even been confirmed.

Also, if you are going to try to debate me on this, at least bring something to the table.

>changing something that's doesn't need changing
>call it innovation
>???
>profit

i believe the 3.5 mm jack will last through all of our life times.
i was born with a jack in my phone
i will die with a jack in my phone

oh my god, no dude, it's not

brown townog can never not be a thing for audio, the only difference is that now we're cramming the circuitry needed to convert digital to brown townog, the equipment needed to amplify the resulting signal, AND the equipment needed to turn said signal into sound in one small enclosure

that is going to be ABSURDLY detrimental to good sound quality, it will take decades before we can even match what we can achieve now with outboard amplifiers and DACs, and it will almost certainly never surpass that
You're not thinking big picture, though. If we don't start development on new stuff at some point, simply because people don't want change, technology as a whole will fall behind. What about scientists coming up with ways to manufacture graphene more efficiently? Once that happens, the tech world will be revolutionized, and we will make leaps and bounds forwards.

I'm sorry guys, but I only see people hating on Apple because they can't afford it. I've been a long Apple used and I've never run into problems, people don't get it: you pay for quality. When you pay $200 for a tablet, what do you think you'll get? While $500 can get something much higher-end and longer lasting. I don't see anything wrong with this.
I own a iPod 4th gen that I got off someone and I've once spent money on a iPod 3rd gen. I regret it.

whats wrong with keeping the 3.5 and just adding nfc for all the other stuff?
oh yeah its apple


I directed you to what takato14 has explained in two separate posts. You are doing an absurdly good job of dismissing the fact that this will not bring higher audio quality and just decide that it's my own opinion. Please don't hurt my feelings with your harsh realities technomaster, but developing new stuff that's not any better is not innovation.

I'm pretty sure higher quality audio is technological progression, whether you want to adopt it or not.

How, exactly, do you think we make progress with technology? Seems to me like we do something called innovate. Often, that comes with consequences and people being against it. But the facts don't lie. If you're going to innovate, someone has to take the first step towards trying new things. What, did you think that the 3.5mm Jack would last forever, when basic technology principle states that if there is a better (and I mean factually better, not based on what people think) way of doing something, it will be tried. This is simply how it works.

The bottom line is this: I don't care about any of your opinions on the matter at the moment. This sounds harsh, but it's reality. Reason? Maybe it's because it's too early to form a solid opinion. We can speculate, sure - but "knowing" right off the bat that's it's "gonna suck" is a little presumptuous, especially when it hasn't even been confirmed.

Also, if you are going to try to debate me on this, at least bring something to the table.
are you just ignoring me or what

this is NOT higher audio quality we are talking about here

changing LPs and 8-tracks to CDs was a better way because it allows better control of the signal that is being sent to the amplification circuitry

changing CDs to solid state was a better way because it maintained said control of the signal while improving general usability

cramming EMI-sensitive chips into a tiny enclosure right next to each other along with something that functions off of loving electromagnetism is not a better way because all it's doing is relieving the very slight inconvenience of having more than one cable by compromising the integrity and execution of everything else that we have worked on and perfected over the past 35 years

it would be different if they were cutting the brown townog stage out entirely but they're not, that has been tried before, a large audio company tried designing a fully digital transducer that functioned by moving a massive array of extremely small drivers from the two binary positions to create sound

unfortunately it sounded absolutely loving atrocious no matter what they did and cost a metric forgetton of money and engineering to create

and this was a gigantic loving speaker, not a headphone, trying to get it to fit over your ears (or worse -- in them) would be nothing short of loving nanotechnology, we'll be wiring audio directly to our brains long before we do anything of that magnitude
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 09:32:31 PM by takato14 »

Well, everybody better get their iPhones and iPads before this is all put into effect.

forget you, Apple. forget you.

PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE REPLYING.

I directed you to what takato14 has explained in two separate posts. You are doing an absurdly good job of dismissing the fact that this will not bring higher audio quality and just decide that it's my own opinion. Please don't hurt my feelings with your harsh realities technomaster, but developing new stuff that's not any better is not innovation.
Except it will become better. Tell me, do you think that single-seater cars were "better" than a good old fashion horse back in the late 1800s? Or what about some of Thomas Edisons early versions of the lightbulb? Were they better than a candle at the time?

The simple answer is this: NO.

However, because they kept building upon what they had learned by trying new things, cars now greatly out-perform horses, and lightbulbs are TONS better than a candle.

Once again, big picture.

Think of this highly realistic scenario (realistic because it happens in the real world today):

Apple or Google or some other large company adds a new port or functionality or whatever to their product. People call it useless and unnecessary. They may be right (notice how I haven't said that what you're saying is completely untrue, simply that we don't know yet). However, because this company holds so much power is widely used, other people start building upon what that company started. And often it's the little guys who make the big innovations. But it is often jump-started by something like this. Then, as more and more people innovate and find new ways to make this feature actually useful, it's no longer "extra fluff". Suddenly, it's an innovation.

I get that advancing tech can take a long time. The same goes for innovation. But my main point is still this, and I will stress it this time: NONE OF US KNOW ENOUGH YET TO MAKE ANY LEGITIMATE CLAIMS ABOUT THIS PRODUCT THAT MAY NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.

are you just ignoring me or what

this is NOT higher audio quality we are talking about here

changing LPs and 8-tracks to CDs was a better way because it allows better control of the signal that is being sent to the amplification circuitry

changing CDs to solid state was a better way because it maintained said control of the signal while improving general usability

cramming EMI-sensitive chips into a tiny enclosure right next to each other is not a better way because it's relieving the very slight inconvenience of having more than one cable at the cost of literally EVERYTHING else

it would be different if they were cutting the brown townog stage out entirely but that has been tried before, a large audio company tried designing a fully digital transducer that functioned by moving a series of extremely small diapgragms from two binary positions to create sound

unfortunately it sounded absolutely loving atrocious no matter what they did and cost a metric forgetton of money and engineering to create

and this was a gigantic loving speaker, not a headphone, trying to get it to fit over your ears (or worse -- in them) would be nothing short of loving nanotechnology
Once again, you can look at our past and say all this and it's all true, BUT!

You are missing one very important point. Nobody knows yet where and when (if ever) technological advancement will stop. You just gave very valid reasons as to why we switched things in the past - but neither you nor I can legitimately say we know without a doubt that something better won't come along later to replace what we have now. You won't know until you've tried? Not good enough when it comes to technology. You won't know until you've exhausted every single possibility and then some? That's more like it.

It's the inventor's job to think outside the box. It's the scientist's job to observe why the stuff that the inventor accidentally stumbled upon works. It's the engineer's job to improve upon it and make it nearly flawless, based on what he now knows from the inventor and scientist. Did you know that's there's still a TON of stuff we don't know about physics. Much of this stuff could potentially be used to make enormous advancements in technology in the future. But how will we know if we don't discover it? And how will we make it if we don't know how it works? And how will we advance it if we don't engineer it.

This is the innovative process. I've undergone it many time myself, and while I've been working with known sciences, I myself didn't neccesarily know them, so it was basically the same process. And this is simply how it works. You can talk about how it may not at the moment be better than what we currently have, and you may be 100% correct, but you cannot know that it will never be better.

Beats do not necessarily bring higher audio quality, in fact they have been shown to pale in comparison to even cheaper headphones.


You took the time to type this whole thing to explain a process that Apple isn't doing?

forget you, Apple. forget you.

I like how literally everyone is taking this article as absolute truth. There's a loving disclosure at the damn top saying it's an "informed opinion". And it isn't even really informed, it's just taking very little information and making a huge loving deal out of it.

I've already stated, since most of you don't even listen, that even if this were true, it wouldn't even happen until most likely next year. The patents for the new iPhone 6 have already shown a 3.5mm jack still present.

Beats do not necessarily bring higher audio quality, in fact they have been shown to pale in comparison to even cheaper headphones.
thanks captain repeatedly-stated



PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE REPLYING.
this argument is sound but realistically is the industry going to follow Apple's design?  google, samsung, and other major players have stuck with microUSB even before the Lightning port.  there's no reason to bring mandatory non-industry uniform plug formats other than to alienate your products from the competitors, create buzzwords and hype, and force your customers to buy more.  it's a genius strategy for Apple to rake in money, but it's only going to just wedge a bigger divide in the market.



I like how literally everyone is taking this article as absolute truth. There's a loving disclosure at the damn top saying it's an "informed opinion". And it isn't even really informed, it's just taking very little information and making a huge loving deal out of it.

I've already stated, since most of you don't even listen, that even if this were true, it wouldn't even happen until most likely next year. The patents for the new iPhone 6 have already shown a 3.5mm jack still present.
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