Why don't we have a food that includes all vitamins we need?

[Headcrab Zombie]

I don't think this way. Out of anyone I've ever met, I'm still the least affected by what the media tells me without questioning it's validity. However, when they provide substantial proof to back up their claims, I'm inclined to believe them.

The problem is that a lot of "evidence" is found in ways that are highly flawed, or even complete bullstuff
Since very few people have the time to do a proper critical brown townysis of all the findings, it's not bad to simply follow what major scientific groups say

Although I hope you realize the only reason it's "unnamed" is simply because I can't remember it off of the top of my head, right? I did say I'd try to find the title.

I'm not bashing you or anything for it, I'm just saying I personally give the source zero trust if I don't even know what it is

my point is both sides of the arguments are inherently questionable because there is always someone placing trust in someone else

There's no way to not do this, because no one has the knowledge, time, and resources to conduct all these studies themselves
And a lot of times there is no trust needed, because the details of the study are published and you can reproduce the results yourself

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[BluetoothBoy]

So now you've devolved into saying "you're wrong because I said so", and I'm just going to ignore you.

No, my statement is 100% valid. It's not because I "say so", it's because it's true. Logic simply doesn't work like that. The reason I kept that comment short is because I'm trying (and apparently failing) to not waste my life debating with people I don't know and will never change their view anyway.

yeah ok, lets not get ahead of ourselves here

What.

So what do you suppose we do? Overload our bodies with vitamins and see if we die? I don't understand why you think that placing trust in someone else is a bad thing. It's not a question of if you're placing trust, but a question of who you're placing trust in. Scientific articles and clinical studies tend to be more credible than independent documentaries sponsored by 'natural health' groups.

Ah okay, then what you're saying makes slightly more sense. I agree that it won't harm you, you simply urinate out unused water-soluble vitamins, but I disagree that they have magical properties that cure cancer and depression.

I'm glad to see that some people can be reasonable. However, it's not a matter of disagreement. People have actually been treated that way and been healed. There were no other factors; they didn't undergo any other treatments. The facts are the facts. I'm not claiming that it's 100% foolproof, but those patients sure do have a heck of a lot larger survival rate than other cancer patients. Oh, and while I'm on the topic of survival rates, that's another thing the media has skewed when it comes to cancer. The usually consider it "survival" only 5 months after the treatment, even though many people still die from the cancer after that period.

The problem is that a lot of "evidence" is found in ways that are highly flawed, or even complete bullstuff
Since very few people have the time to do a proper critical brown townysis of all the findings, it's not bad to simply follow what major scientific groups say
I'm not bashing you or anything for it, I'm just saying I personally give the source zero trust if I don't even know what it is
There's no way to not do this, because no one has the knowledge, time, and resources to conduct all these studies themselves

Sure, "evidence" and even "proof" have been shown to be wrong many, many times. I totally agree. All I'm saying is it's pretty hard to disprove the fact that someone got better when given extra vitamins, for many people.

[Blockzillahead]

What.

for all i know you could be a basement dweller who never leaves the house therefore never exposing themselves to health risks.

by the way this documentary. did they do this same experiment to over a dozen people to conclude its not just coincidence or some sort of placebo effect happening on the person? did they tell them "here this pill will make you all better"? was this a safe method to produce real authentic results?

[Tokthree]

I like to eat many different things in order to get the things I need, only having to eat one food to get everything would be loving boring.

[Headcrab Zombie]

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Sure, "evidence" and even "proof" have been shown to be wrong many, many times. I totally agree. All I'm saying is it's pretty hard to disprove the fact that someone got better when given extra vitamins, for many people.

...But I'm not even disagreeing in this aspect. I even agreed with you previously:

Yeah, I recently added a lot more fresh produce to my diet, and since then I've been feeling a lot better - less stomach pains, more energetic, etc.

I'm saying that I'm not convinced there weren't any risks or negative results of overdose

I like to eat many different things in order to get the things I need, only having to eat one food to get everything would be loving boring.

I think everyone is thinking of this as like a mush/smoothie type thing, but there's no reason it has to be this.
Multivitamins already exist in many forms, including ones marketed towards kids, in the form of gumballs and gummis and various forms. They taste fine, maybe a little off because all that nutrient mix in concentrated into one tiny serving, but if that was expanded and mixed into an entire meal, it wouldn't be noticable. A nutrient powder mixed in/sprinkled over otherwise normal food (specially balanced to include all the macronutrients you need, and a healthy dose of fiber). Maybe prepackaged so you get exactly how much you need. And served with a glass of extra calcium/vitaminD fortified milk?

[Georges]

Bluetooth, it's considered survival after 5 years, I thought. By still, they die from it after the 5 year.

[Tokthree]

No, I'm thinking of it as a single food which contains everything we need and thus eliminates any requirement for variety which is exactly what the OP described it as

[PowerDag]

that's not what tokthree is saying, he's saying that eating the same thing all the time would be boring

[Blockzillahead]

if i had to eat the same boring thing everyday for the rest of my life i would probably kill myself

[BluetoothBoy]

for all i know you could be a basement dweller who never leaves the house therefore never exposing themselves to health risks.

by the way this documentary. did they do this same experiment to over a dozen people to conclude its not just coincidence or some sort of placebo effect happening on the person? did they tell them "here this pill will make you all better"? was this a safe method to produce real authentic results?

First off, even being a basement dweller doesn't do much to keep you from health risks (not by that much, at least). Also, no, I'm not. In fact, I Rollerblade 2 miles daily.

In terms of the documentary, it's not an "experiment". This treatment has been used on hundreds or thousands of patients. In fact, one of the people who discovered this effect was one of Einstein's smart buddies (no joke). However, most people in the medical industry ignored him simply because he had no medical degree, and therefore couldn't be trusted. However, he was one of the most brilliant men of the time and Einstein's personal friend. Did the professionals care? Nope.
Also, don't diss the smoothie yo.

[The Magical Dunes]

You're right, I am pro-natural. But I'd also like to point out (not trying to brag or anything) that I'm probably one of the healthiest members on the forums. I've never had any sickness but the common cold (maybe the flu once), I've not had an infection once, I've never been to the hospital or doctor for anything since birth except checkups and a broken pinkie. If I start eating junk for any extended period of time, m body starts to reject it, and I usually just want a huge salad at that point. Laugh at me all you want, but this method is tried and true and has been for centuries. It's not my business if people choose to ignore it, but I know from many years of actual experience (which I doubt many of you can claim to have) that it's no joke. I'm not trying to start anything, so please don't treat this like I am.

It's great that you're healthy and whatnot, but that doesn't really change anything. The evidence isn't there and you're not credible.

Sure, "evidence" and even "proof" have been shown to be wrong many, many times. I totally agree. All I'm saying is it's pretty hard to disprove the fact that someone got better when given extra vitamins, for many people.

It's hard to absolutely disprove, but it's pretty easy to cast doubt on. Maybe the person changed their diet, maybe it was placebo effect, maybe it was cosmic radiation (spookey). Oh, and there's the issue that it was a single patient (based on what you said in 1st post.)

I'm not claiming that it's 100% foolproof, but those patients sure do have a heck of a lot larger survival rate than other cancer patients.

Ok, you MUST have left something out in your first post, because all I saw you talking about were two separate cases.

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First off, even being a basement dweller doesn't do much to keep you from health risks (not by that much, at least). Also, no, I'm not. In fact, I Rollerblade 2 miles daily.

In terms of the documentary, it's not an "experiment". This treatment has been used on hundreds or thousands of patients. In fact, one of the people who discovered this effect was one of Einstein's smart buddies (no joke). However, most people in the medical industry ignored him simply because he had no medical degree, and therefore couldn't be trusted. However, he was one of the most brilliant men of the time and Einstein's personal friend. Did the professionals care? Nope.
Also, don't diss the smoothie yo.

Alrighty dude, can you link us to any studies on this treatment? Also, for future reference, try not to commit any fallacies (I know medical schooling & licensure wasn't super well developed at the start of the 20th cen.)

[Headcrab Zombie]

that's not what tokthree is saying, he's saying that eating the same thing all the time would be boring

And what I'm saying is it wouldn't have to be the same thing.
As I said, it could just bit a nutrient powder than you sprinkle over/mix into your regular food

[BluetoothBoy]

It's great that you're healthy and whatnot, but that doesn't really change anything. The evidence isn't there and you're not credible.It's hard to absolutely disprove, but it's pretty easy to cast doubt on. Maybe the person changed their diet, maybe it was placebo effect, maybe it was cosmic radiation (spookey). Oh, and there's the issue that it was a single patient (based on what you said in 1st post.)Ok, you MUST have left something out in your first post, because all I saw you talking about were two separate cases.

EDIT:Alrighty dude, can you link us to any studies on this treatment? Also, for future reference, try not to commit any fallacies (I know medical schooling & licensure wasn't super well developed at the start of the 20th cen.)

I hate to say it, but this is a pretty poor argument. If you seriously expect me to fill up the character limit with examples, you're dead wrong. They're examples for a reason.

Also, a diet change could have the same effects, considering that's where many vitamins come from. Freeing yourself from cancer that way would take waaaaaay longer, if it even worked at all.

The best I can do is tell you the name of the documentary I watched. Of course, people will only use this as fuel for the fire... :/

[Blockzillahead]

I hate to say it, but this is a pretty poor argument. If you seriously expect me to fill up the character limit with examples, you're dead wrong. They're examples for a reason.

Also, a diet change could have the same effects, considering that's where many vitamins come from. Freeing yourself from cancer that way would take waaaaaay longer, if it even worked at all.

The best I can do is tell you the name of the documentary I watched. Of course, people will only use this as fuel for the fire... :/

instead of saying there is so many examples, at least post one or two

[Tokthree]

And what I'm saying is it wouldn't have to be the same thing.
As I said, it could just bit a nutrient powder than you sprinkle over/mix into your regular food

Which would have two implications.

The first is that if you're going to put the powder on the food to make it the only thing you need to eat then why not exclusively eat the food that you like most/the cheapest food/ the easiest food to eat?
The second is that if you decide to eat different foods just to keep the variety but you're still gonna put the protein powder on the food that you eat then why bother with the powder if you're eating all the different foods you'd need to eat to get the nutrients in the powder anyway?

One eliminates the need for variety, the other one renders the all-in-one powder/food completely pointless, take your pick.