Author Topic: Why don't we have a food that includes all vitamins we need?  (Read 5857 times)

because wikipedia is 100% trustable and guaranteed accurate

its not like anyone can edit any wikipedia page they want without even making an account

It literally makes me cringe whenever people dispute the accuracy of Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

inb4 "it's wikipedia so their article on their own reliability is unreliable!"

It literally makes me cringe whenever people dispute the accuracy of Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

inb4 "it's wikipedia so their article on their own reliability is unreliable!"
not going to even bother reading that because it's not the point I was getting at

trusting wikipedia is no worse and no better than trusting the documentary BluetoothBoy watched, I was pointing out the fact that both sides of the argument have questionable evidence

not going to even bother reading that because it's not the point I was getting at

trusting wikipedia is no worse and no better than trusting the documentary BluetoothBoy watched, I was pointing out the fact that both sides of the argument have questionable evidence
The documentary is completely unnamed
The wikipedia article has citations you can crosscheck

The documentary is completely unnamed
The wikipedia article has citations you can crosscheck
and by checking citations you are doing nothing more than transferring your trust to someone other than wikipedia

do you see my point

because there is such thing as vitamin overdose

and by checking citations you are doing nothing more than transferring your trust to someone other than wikipedia

do you see my point
No, I don't see your point.
What the forget are you trying to argue? What even is an acceptable source to you?

"Oh I saw it in a video it must be true" I don't think this way. Out of anyone I've ever met, I'm still the least affected by what the media tells me without questioning it's validity. However, when they provide substantial proof to back up their claims, I'm inclined to believe them.
I find US dept of health websites (http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminA-HealthProfessional/#h8 , http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Bone/Bone_Health/Nutrition/vitamin_a.asp#c ) much more reputable than an unnamed documentary Not saying this is misinformation, but you shouldn't trust one source more than another based solely on rep. I make it a point to take both sides and evaluate them. If I had found that there was very poor evidence backing up what I said, I wouldn't be supporting it in the first place.
Oh yeah these definitely aren't bad These are short-term side effects that you can make a full recovery from. It's far better than being a cancer patient, I assure you.
Yeah, I recently added a lot more fresh produce to my diet, and since then I've been feeling a lot better - less stomach pains, more energetic, etc.
Water-soluble vitamins are expelled with urine, yes, but fat-soluble ones are not. This is my fault for not clarifying this, whoops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis

Idk, it seems like the documentary you watched was full of stuff.
Fat soluble vitamins are different. I should have clarified, I'm talking about the vitamins that don't build up in your system.

From what I've read, the pro-vitamin evidence is wish-washy at best and vice-versa. Although there may be specific cases where taking a bunch of a vitamin can improve health outcomes, this documentary sounds more like it's anti-pharmaceutical propaganda than anything else. Also, there's the fact that you're a anti-vaccine, "only natural stuff" kinda guy, which doesn't inspire confidence. But what do I know, I'm just a big pharma sheeple.
You're right, I am pro-natural. But I'd also like to point out (not trying to brag or anything) that I'm probably one of the healthiest members on the forums. I've never had any sickness but the common cold (maybe the flu once), I've not had an infection once, I've never been to the hospital or doctor for anything since birth except checkups and a broken pinkie. If I start eating junk for any extended period of time, m body starts to reject it, and I usually just want a huge salad at that point. Laugh at me all you want, but this method is tried and true and has been for centuries. It's not my business if people choose to ignore it, but I know from many years of actual experience (which I doubt many of you can claim to have) that it's no joke. I'm not trying to start anything, so please don't treat this like I am.

It literally makes me cringe whenever people dispute the accuracy of Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

inb4 "it's wikipedia so their article on their own reliability is unreliable!"
For the most part, I agree. There have been a couple articles I've seen that have been somewhat skewed, but for the most part it's pretty darn accurate. Also, hasn't it been discussed that not just anyone can edit a Wikipedia article? I know someone mentioned this in one of those school firewall threads.

The documentary is completely unnamed
The wikipedia article has citations you can crosscheck

Although I hope you realize the only reason it's "unnamed" is simply because I can't remember it off of the top of my head, right? I did say I'd try to find the title.

No, I don't see your point.
What the forget are you trying to argue? What even is an acceptable source to you?
my point is both sides of the arguments are inherently questionable because there is always someone placing trust in someone else

you're a smart person, I really shouldn't have to spell this out



now as far as the actual argument is concerned, if you can overdose on one thing you can overdose on something else, your body is a giant cluster of chemical reactions, if you put the wrong ingredients in, or put in the wrong amounts of the right ingredients, bad stuff's gonna go down

why do you think poison works

or any drug/medication for that matter

isn't there something exactly like this?
like seriously I heard like almost 2 days ago about something exactly like this

also
because there is such thing as vitamin overdose

so yeah

my point is both sides of the arguments are inherently questionable because there is always someone placing trust in someone else

you're a smart person, I really shouldn't have to spell this out



now as far as the actual argument is concerned, if you can overdose on one thing you can overdose on something else, your body is a giant cluster of chemical reactions, if you put the wrong ingredients in, or put in the wrong amounts of the right ingredients, bad stuff's gonna go down

why do you think poison works

or any drug/medication for that matter
Sorry, but that's flawed logic. You're oversimplifying it all.

I've never seen this much tension over vitamins.

Sorry, but that's flawed logic. You're oversimplifying it all.
So now you've devolved into saying "you're wrong because I said so", and I'm just going to ignore you.

I'm probably one of the healthiest members on the forums. I've never had any sickness but the common cold (maybe the flu once), I've not had an infection once, I've never been to the hospital or doctor for anything since birth except checkups and a broken pinkie.
yeah ok, lets not get ahead of ourselves here

So now you've devolved into saying "you're wrong because I said so", and I'm just going to ignore you.
that's what you've been saying this entire loving time

my point is both sides of the arguments are inherently questionable because there is always someone placing trust in someone else

you're a smart person, I really shouldn't have to spell this out

So what do you suppose we do? Overload our bodies with vitamins and see if we die? I don't understand why you think that placing trust in someone else is a bad thing. It's not a question of if you're placing trust, but a question of who you're placing trust in. Scientific articles and clinical studies tend to be more credible than independent documentaries sponsored by 'natural health' groups.

Fat soluble vitamins are different.

Ah okay, then what you're saying makes slightly more sense. I agree that it won't harm you, you simply urinate out unused water-soluble vitamins, but I disagree that they have magical properties that cure cancer and depression.