Author Topic: Why don't we have a food that includes all vitamins we need?  (Read 5871 times)

We actually do. It's called beer. Life can be sustained off beer alone indefinitely.

We actually do. It's called beer. Life can be sustained off beer alone indefinitely.
If you're hangover you drink more beer.

We actually do. It's called beer. Life can be sustained off beer alone indefinitely.
nice to know

besides soylent, not really anything. I heard it tastes like cake batter

If you're hangover you drink more beer.
Beers are fortified now, but back when getting food was actually a problem and beer had sub-2% alcohol by volume, beer was actually a major staple of their diet to keep them alive. Beer is essentially liquid bread, plus it contains all the minerals required for human life. Now, you probably won't live to be 100 years old off only beer, but you can survive.

Genetic modification of foods to incorporate more nutrients (ex golden rice, a variety of rice  with a gene added to make it produce the vitamin A precursor beta carotene) has already been done, but we can't have them because stupid people cry about GMOs. Aside from that this pretty much already exist. You can take pills (multivitamins) that have a lot of the vitamins you need, tons of foods are fortified with nutrients that don't naturally occur in that food, etc. Getting the required minimum number of calories isn't an issue at all in developed countries, just look at how rampant obesity is. And the number of calories you need is variable, based on factors like body weight and level of physical activity.

too many vitamins is actually bad for you
Yeah but it's not really easy to get too much from just food, the problem is when people take multivitamins (some of which already give you way over the recommended daily value), a whole ton of fortified foods, etc.
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Re: Why don't we have a food that includes all vitamins we need?
Because eating human flesh is illegal or something.

It would probably taste like stuff
because it would taste gross as stuff, and health has way more to do with how much you exercise, what your metabolism is like, and genetics than anything else.
put them in a terrible tasting single food
it could potentially be done, but you would still be hungry and the lack of fiber/actual food would cause you to lose weight
I think everyone is thinking of this as like a mush/smoothie type thing, but there's no reason it has to be this.
Multivitamins already exist in many forms, including ones marketed towards kids, in the form of gumballs and gummis and various forms. They taste fine, maybe a little off because all that nutrient mix in concentrated into one tiny serving, but if that was expanded and mixed into an entire meal, it wouldn't be noticable. A nutrient powder mixed in/sprinkled over otherwise normal food (specially balanced to include all the macronutrients you need, and a healthy dose of fiber). Maybe prepackaged so you get exactly how much you need. And served with a glass of extra calcium/vitaminD fortified milk?
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too many vitamins are actually bad for you
No. I literally just watched a documentary about this. There is no proof at all that too many vitamins are bad for you. The worst they can do is give you temporary side effects such as diarrhea or headaches. For example, there was a women suffering from severe depression, all she'd do was sit in the corner all day. A nutritionist suggested giving the women increasing amounts of Vitamin C until she felt better. Once they had increased the amount of Vitamin C to 11,500 mg a day, she was no longer experiencing the depression. However, as soon as they stopped with the Vitamin C, she was back in the corner.

Statistically, there have been only ten deaths in the past 24 years or so that were only suspected to be caused by overdosing on vitamins. And that's left to suspicion. Compare that to the number of people who did each year due to overdosing on manmade drugs.

There are other things super-dosing on vitamins can do as well. By increasing one patient's intake of Vitamin C to 200,000 mg per day (at a nutritional clinic, not a hospital, mind you), the patient was effectively free of the cancer they'd had previously. There are many other similar success cases from nutritional clinics as well, but why don't we hear about them? Well, for starters, nutrition is hardly even touched upon in med school, so most doctors aren't even aware as to the effectiveness of vitamins. There's also the major drug companies' involvement, absolutely bombarding the market and society with the promise for "drugs for every ailment". This puts the spotlight on them, partially on purpose. After all, if the world knew just how effective vitamins could be, drug companies would rapidly lose money. They make up a huge portion of the country's GDP, so that would cause an economics uproar. However, I'm supposed to be talking about vitamins, aren't I?

Anyway, you can choose to believe it or not, but there is way more evidence in favor of vitamins than against them. In fact, the "evidence" against them is mostly speculation. Do you know what your body does once it has no more need for a certain vitamin that you've been super-dosing? It simply turns the rest into waste and expels it from the body. This isn't true with commercial drugs. You take those in large amounts, and you'll do serious, if not lasting harm to your body.

How do you think people survive(d) and are even healthy in other cultures where they don't have health care or any sanitary practices? The food they eat is far more vitamin rich than what we generally eat in America. Not only do they mostly eat plants raw, but they eat far more of them than we do. Certain raw plants are simply saturated with vitamins, and those people learned over time which ones made them the most healthy.

I hope this has cleared up some of the false ideas of vitamins. I'd highly suggest that documentary, but I forgot the name. If we still have it from the library, I'll post the title of it here for anyone who wants to see it.


There is no proof at all that too many vitamins are bad for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis

Idk, it seems like the documentary you watched was full of stuff.

why not just eat the healthy people

because wikipedia is 100% trustable and guaranteed accurate

its not like anyone can edit any wikipedia page they want without even making an account

in all seriousness, too much of any good thing is bad for you, a good way to think of your body is like a cake recipe, if you put too many eggs or too much milk in it, your cake's gonna turn out like stuff, if it even bakes at all
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 12:37:52 PM by takato14 »

No. I literally just watched a documentary about this. There is no proof at all that too many vitamins are bad for you.
"Oh I saw it in a video it must be true"
I find National Institute of Health pages (http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminA-HealthProfessional/#h8 , http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Bone/Bone_Health/Nutrition/vitamin_a.asp#c ) much more reputable than some random unnamed documentary

The worst they can do is give you temporary side effects such as diarrhea or headaches.
Oh yeah these definitely aren't bad at all

There are many other similar success cases from nutritional clinics as well, but why don't we hear about them? Well, for starters, nutrition is hardly even touched upon in med school, so most doctors aren't even aware as to the effectiveness of vitamins.
Yeah, I recently added a lot more fresh produce to my diet, and since then I've been feeling a lot better - less stomach pains, more energetic, etc.

Do you know what your body does once it has no more need for a certain vitamin that you've been super-dosing? It simply turns the rest into waste and expels it from the body.
Excess amounts of water-soluble vitamins are expelled with urine, yes, but fat-soluble ones are not.
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From what I've read, the pro-vitamin evidence is wish-washy at best and vice-versa. Although there may be specific cases where taking a bunch of a vitamin can improve health outcomes, this documentary sounds more like it's anti-pharmaceutical propaganda than anything else. Also, there's the fact that you're a anti-vaccine, "only natural stuff" kinda guy, which doesn't inspire confidence. But what do I know, I'm just a big pharma sheeple.