My love life is none of your business, now buy me stuff when I want to have love.

[Edoircs]

Y
You do know college costs have skyrocketed since the 80's right?

Did you also know that millions of dollars in scholarships offered by companies never get used. You know what a scholarship is right?

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[Bisjac]

The reason the company is paying you to work is so you can live.

wrong. they pay you to work because you accepted their pay to work.
they dont, and shouldnt give a stuff how you live or what you need money for.

[ZombiLoin]

wrong. they pay you to work because you accepted their pay to work.
they dont, and shouldnt give a stuff how you live or what you need money for.

"Shouldn't"
Says loving who.

[Edoircs]

wrong. they pay you to work because you accepted their pay to work.
they dont, and shouldnt give a stuff how you live or what you need money for.

You work -> They pay you -> You live

[Bisjac]

hobby lobby pays a minimum wage of 14 an hour. thats over twice the national average.
entry level idiots are getting by better then most people looking for work.

those employees are lucky to have any benefits at all

[Bisjac]

"Shouldn't"
Says loving who.

why do you want private business to involve themselves with your personal life?
you have no problem taking money but you arent the one that draws the line. you dont want them involved.

the ones who beg for handouts arent the ones that pick WHAT gets handed out, if its enough, if everyone elses taxes go up because of you, what the conditions are to receive anything.

sure beggers get their little successes every now and then, but everyone else pays the price. and the beggers become more and more dependent and childlike each time.

[ZombiLoin]

why do you want private business to involve themselves with your personal life?
you have no problem taking money but you arent the one that draws the line. you dont want them involved.

because it's out of necessity. what if I get sick, say cancer, and the medicine costs more than I can afford with my regular salary?

[Bisjac]

because it's out of necessity. what if I get sick, say cancer, and the medicine costs more than I can afford with my regular salary?

you have a what if question, and you offer only 1 solution. and behold! that solution has nothing to do with an effort on your part! its like some kinda magic.

why dosnt the fed take care of you? why dosnt your family take care of you? why dosnt the state take care of you? why arent there more volunteer healthcare? why arent there more charities for people like me? why dont i go to another country for my healthcare?

oh its easier to look at my current job, a private owned company and demand they pay my bills. forget them. they dare hire me, they absorb all responsibility over my life.

or if you want my personal opinion and a direct answer to your question "what if I get sick, say cancer, and the medicine costs more than I can afford with my regular salary?"

i answer. then you just have to die. its not a basic human right to live as long as possible. people get sick and die. people try and heal, and sometimes the help runs out.
businesses cant afford to heal everyone. or they simply wont exist. thats why they leave overseas.

[Nonnel]

because it's out of necessity. what if I get sick, say cancer, and the medicine costs more than I can afford with my regular salary?

then you will die

[Oasis]

These guys are idiots. The reason why this is a poor ruling is that these employees are promised employer-sponsered healthcare and the ruling allows any employer to selectively pick which medications they want to cover as part of their health care plan on the basis of 'religious freedom'. It doesn't even matter whether it's birth control really, since the ruling could also cover antibiotics, or flu shots, or anything else that someone could possibly religiously object to.

It's a dumb ruling because Hobby Lobby promises healthcare and isn't providing it to their employees, and the government is protecting their right to lie to their employees.

If you wanted to make your food brown townogy accurate, it would be like if Hobby Lobby took part of your paychecks and said, "Hey, we'll let you use this to cover your food so that you can't ever go starving. It's fine though since you can still get whatever you want!" and then immediately you go to purchase bananas, and they turn around and say "Sorry, we religiously object to phallic foods, so you're gonna have to eat anchovies or cherries or something for dinner, sorry!". Sound fair?

Thank you Seventh. This is the rational argument, no more is needed on this thread. Everyone move along.

This thread has become an argument of the basic idea of Obamacare's mandates, not the actual ruling that a corporation can hold its owners religion as a reason not to do something otherwise mandated. Essentially this furthers the precedent that corporations have rights beyond business and financial ones.

[Oasis]

Did you also know that millions of dollars in scholarships offered by companies never get used. You know what a scholarship is right?

Holy forget, point me in the direction of this hidden money, because clearly they are hiding it.

[DrenDran]

Thank you Seventh. This is the rational argument, no more is needed on this thread. Everyone move along.

I'm right and you just gotta like believe me. Everyone else is horrible.

This thread has become an argument of the basic idea of Obamacare's mandates, not the actual ruling that a corporation can hold its owners religion as a reason not to do something otherwise mandated. Essentially this furthers the precedent that corporations have rights beyond business and financial ones.

Corporations are made up of shareholders and chairmen that a share to the property rights of the corporation.
They should have (and often do) as much right to manage their corporation as they do their personal homes.

[Edoircs]

I'm right and you just gotta like believe me. Everyone else is horrible.

I hope you're joking

[DrenDran]

I hope you're joking

Are you autistic?
Just wondering.

[Harm94]

No system is perfect.  Socialism while good on paper, requires that everyone contribute and give in to receive. Kind of like an ant society, you work hard as everyone else haul contribute the resources necessary to keep the society alive. However such a system is open to exploitation. One example is that it might allow for the lazy and non-working to collect benefits while never contributing. One for all becomes all for one. It is pretty much like this in California where welfare is handed out like water in a fountain. Good intentions, abused by the lazy.

Under a capitalist system you end up with stuff like this:

The problem here is that no one is saying that Hobby Lobby employers/managers/etc have to buy birth control pills for themselves. They've ruled that they have the right not to let their employees use their insurance to buy birth control, but think of how this can be exploited. What if a company decides, "Hey, our employees are all using their insurance a lot during winter getting these /flu shots/, why don't we tell them we religiously object to that, so that we don't have to pay for that anymore"?

Or even with birthcontrol, what if your employee has a condition that requires contraceptives as part of treatment? What are they gonna do?
I guarantee that your parents get their health insurance from their jobs. Otherwise, you're loaded and should probably just shut the forget up since you didn't make any of that money.

If you wanted to make your food brown townogy accurate, it would be like if Hobby Lobby took part of your paychecks and said, "Hey, we'll let you use this to cover your food so that you can't ever go starving. It's fine though since you can still get whatever you want!" and then immediately you go to purchase bananas, and they turn around and say "Sorry, we religiously object to phallic foods, so you're gonna have to eat anchovies or cherries or something for dinner, sorry!". Sound fair?