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[childofdarkness016]

lol try male victims of rape and domestic violence, and i'm sure i told you about them shutting the only male shelter in canada down? that time they defended a woman who blatantly raped a young boy?

i know every movement has done radical things, but when it is a common occurrence and the members of the movement refuse to accept that their movement did that, it becomes a problem.

What's common isn't what's shown by the media. People have said this to you often, but I guess you don't quite get it.

What feminism is doing is either considered a joke by most people or is shown to be incredibly radical, and I won't deny or argue against that. You can believe in a movement without having to agree with everything that goes on. I personally feel that feminists who attack male rape victims and the like are hypocrites, but DrenDran will whine and say that's a No True Scotsman logic fallacy or some stuff, but who gives a stuff.

3. With this logic feminism is basically fighting to say that lipstick, high heels, and other markers of femininity can be associated with strength too. (as you said last page) But I'd say no, for example high heels can't be associated with strength because they're extremely impractical, painful, and weaken the wearer rather than making them stronger, they're objectively worse.

4. You can fight for women without fighting for femininity.

Not strength in the sense of physical strength, but strength as in power. Power as in having a voice and mattering as much as masculinity.

And saying that you're fighting for solely women is practically bait for egalitarians to think they're right. Plus, I want to fight for femininity. I dislike the stigma that I see associated with it and how it affects me on a personal level. I'm a feminist because I want to change that.

honestly every time they come out with a new political campaign it harms more than it does good. and there have been at least 2 big campaigns this year. you would really want to defend that movement instead of the ones actually after equality? the only reason the mrm exists is because they talk about the stuff feminists refuse to.

feminism isn't new

yeah it's a new wave but whatever

Also, MRAs have done nothing of significance since their inception in the 70s (correct me if i'm wrong here). They're too focused on attacking feminists than actually doing anything, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

I believe men are affected by a patriarchy (and would do anything in my power to help! I'd love to build a shelter for men in abusive relationships or ban circumcision! And I'm a feminist!), but MRAs believe there's a matriarchy, anyway. That's why they'll always be wrong in their ideals, but not their goals.

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[childofdarkness016]

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[Kimon²]

I believe men are affected by a patriarchy (and would do anything in my power to help! I'd love to build a shelter for men in abusive relationships or ban circumcision! And I'm a feminist!), but MRAs believe there's a matriarchy, anyway. That's why they'll always be wrong in their ideals, but not their goals.

the "men are affected by patriarchy" is just another way for feminists to say "well guys face problems but really it just goes back to women being the priority"
how about we tackle the problems instead of just grouping them with female problems and drawing significance from them?

also only loving idiots believe the matriarchy is real, i have actually seen from experience that that is an uncommon opinion.

What's common isn't what's shown by the media. People have said this to you often, but I guess you don't quite get it.

What feminism is doing is either considered a joke by most people or is shown to be incredibly radical, and I won't deny or argue against that. You can believe in a movement without having to agree with everything that goes on. I personally feel that feminists who attack male rape victims and the like are hypocrites, but DrenDran will whine and say that's a No True Scotsman logic fallacy or some stuff, but who gives a stuff.

you don't know how many times people loving regurgitate
"oh well feminists are constantly doing substantial great things, and repairing the damage they do every other day! you just dont see, hear, or know about it!"

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[childofdarkness016]

the "men are affected by patriarchy" is just another way for feminists to say "well guys face problems but really it just goes back to women being the priority"

But men are affected by the patriarchy and most feminists I know (which is practically everyone i know) believe this??? I don't think either group is a priority over each other, either, but I think women's issues are more prevalent in volume, while men's issues are more often undermined and ignored. Both deserve treatment and they stem from a patriarchy, which is why I'm sticking to being feminist.

I still think you're too attached to the sjw re-imagining of feminism and it'll be nearly impossible to persuade you otherwise.

[Kimon²]

But men are affected by the patriarchy and most feminists I know (which is practically everyone i know) believe this??? I don't think either group is a priority over each other, either, but I think women's issues are more prevalent in volume, while men's issues are more often undermined and ignored. Both deserve treatment and they stem from a patriarchy, which is why I'm sticking to being feminist.

I still think you're too attached to the sjw re-imagining of feminism and it'll be nearly impossible to persuade you otherwise.

i don't know how many time's i have to tell you it is far from just a """"tumblr brand"""" of feminism, that's just another way of dodging responsibility.

please explain how a system that apparently keeps men in power also negatively effects them, and the "patriarchy" needs to be taken down instead of men's problems. there's a reason that the only people who believe this are feminists.

[childofdarkness016]

i don't know how many time's i have to tell you it is far from just a """"tumblr brand"""" of feminism, that's just another way of dodging responsibility.

jfc just drop it

please explain how a system that apparently keeps men in power also negatively effects them, and the "patriarchy" needs to be taken down instead of men's problems. there's that the only people who believe this are feminists.

Men assuming a "feminine" role, such as being the abused rather than the abuser in rape or in any abusive relationship, is seen as "wrong" because they're not fitting what society expects of men, i.e., to be masculine. The patriarchy needs to be taken down because the idea that masculinity dominates over femininity is exactly what's causing this shame towards men's issues.

[DrenDran]

DrenDran will whine and say that's a No True Scotsman logic fallacy or some stuff, but who gives a stuff.

It's wrong. I know it's wrong. But I'm doing it anyway.

Not strength in the sense of physical strength, but strength as in power. Power as in having a voice and mattering as much as masculinity.

I never said strength was only physical, what a strawman lol.
But strength is an intrinsic internal property of a person, whether emotional, physical, or mental, it is not determined by external factors. There is a difference between strength and political power. I don't understand the idea of giving political power to the concept of femininity. Why do people need to be given power based on wearing dresses lipstick and high heels?

Also, MRAs have done nothing of significance since their inception in the 70s (correct me if i'm wrong here). They're too focused on attacking feminists than actually doing anything, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

Someone correct him for me plz.

I believe men are affected by a patriarchy (and would do anything in my power to help! I'd love to build a shelter for men in abusive relationships or ban circumcision! And I'm a feminist!), but MRAs believe there's a matriarchy, anyway. That's why they'll always be wrong in their ideals, but not their goals.

The whole patriarchy thing is a conspiracy theory on the level of 'global warming is invented by Obama' and 'jews did 9/11'. Yes, men typically have more power, yeah it probably wouldn't be like that in a perfect society, but the Patriarchy theory tends to make it seem like a conscious common effort on the part of men to oppress women.



edit: the problem with feminism is that it's not a centralized controlled group, it's a label people can apply to themselves, this means two feminists can disagree on everything and still both be called feminists. This is not the way to do a political movement and be taken seriously.

[childofdarkness016]

It's wrong. I know it's wrong. But I'm doing it anyway.

you do realize that i actually agree with you right

as in they ARE feminists

but they're hypocrites

hypocritical feminists

people who are wrong but use the same label as me

[Kimon²]

jfc just drop it

Nice! Great Argument! I Am Enlightened! Thank You So Very Much!

Men assuming a "feminine" role, such as being the abused rather than the abuser in rape or in any abusive relationship, is seen as "wrong" because they're not fitting what society expects of men, i.e., to be masculine. The patriarchy needs to be taken down because the idea that masculinity dominates over femininity is exactly what's causing this shame towards men's issues.

oh yeah because very little custody, bodily autonomy, parental rights, workplace deaths, male disposability, catasrophically high Self Delete rates, 0 male shelters, majority of homelessness, and the large gender bias in america's schools are things solved by taking down the patriarchy.

[DrenDran]

you do realize that i actually agree with you right

as in they ARE feminists

but they're hypocrites

hypocritical feminists

people who are wrong but use the same label as me

edit: the problem with feminism is that it's not a centralized controlled group, it's a label people can apply to themselves, this means two feminists can disagree on everything and still both be called feminists. This is not the way to do a political movement and be taken seriously.

Feminism isn't a political party or an organization, it's a label anyone's free to use.
This is a bad thing.

[childofdarkness016]

Nice! Great Argument! I Am Enlightened! Thank You So Very Much!

True, regurgitating the same thing over and over again is a better argument than not wanting to regurgitate the same thing over and over again!!!

yeah because very little custody, bodily autonomy, parental, workplace deaths, male disposability, catasrophically high Self Delete rates, 0 male shelters, majority of homelessness, and the large gender bias in america's schools are things solved by taking down the patriarchy.

Yes. I am agreeing with your sarcasm, which is sad. But it's true.

although i don't think male disposability is a real issue, but i want some clarification on that

Doesn't it have to do with military drafts and prioritizing women and children? Don't you think that's because, oh, I don't know, men are stronger and therefore able to take care of themselves?? You can say it goes both ways.

edit: the problem with feminism is that it's not a centralized controlled group, it's a label people can apply to themselves, this means two feminists can disagree on everything and still both be called feminists. This is not the way to do a political movement and be taken seriously.

every social movement will disagree on things, especially when it's on a massive scale.

[Kimon²]

True, regurgitating the same thing over and over again is a better argument than not wanting to regurgitate the same thing over and over again!!!

yeah except im actually right COUGH

Yes. I am agreeing with your sarcasm, which is sad. But it's true.

you're getting lazier and lazier. please explain how you can solve any of those by focusing on female problems and """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""the patriarchy™""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

[DrenDran]

every social movement will disagree on things, especially when it's on a massive scale.

Here's a little comparison:

Feminism:
n. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the lovees.
n. The movement organized around this belief.

"Radical Feminist": I'm a feminist who believes that men should be cut down to 10% of the population.
Others: That's not a feminist guys, trust us, look at the definition.

Libratarianism:
n. A political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty

"Communist Libratarian": I'm a Libratarian but I dislike capitalism. We should have a Libratarian socicity with strict controls of business.
Others: Are you actually a member of the Libratarian party? Can you show us your Libratarian party voters card?





Here we see one label people randomly apply to themselves, and one political party with a strict set of values and goals and the ability to enforce these upon people calling themselves members of the party.