Author Topic: Looks like v9's gonna be a goodun.  (Read 9599 times)

I, personally, don't see why we can't use BOTH .cs files AND .zip add-ons?

Why not, right? This means seamless v8 -> v9 transitions, and could be "just DL this file here & check it off" as per the original intention of the .zip system.
And it would be easier on modders.

Wait, what's happening with all the .zip and .cs files? did I miss something?

Wait, what's happening with all the .zip and .cs files? did I miss something?

Badspot says that v9's add-ons have to be within .zip's.

You are now caught up w/ current events.

Wait, what's happening with all the .zip and .cs files? did I miss something?

Badspot says that v9's add-ons have to be within .zip's.

You are now caught up w/ current events.
What about decals?
And what about .rar's?

I thought it could be both cs and zip.

Yeah, that would be the way more logical thing to do.

I, personally, don't see why we can't use BOTH .cs files AND .zip add-ons?
This is what I've been saying all along! Add support, don't force.

NO...NO...NO.  Allowing the old-style, willy-nilly, throw-stuff-anywhere style of Add-Ons would TOTALLY defeat the purpose of .zips.  Requiring .zips might even prevent some older, stuffty Add-Ons from making it to V9.  In fact, I recommend that people NOT port stuffty Add-Ons to V9.

In addition, the use of RTB2 to manage, download, update, and rate Add-Ons will a HUGE benefit to the community.

Besides, it won't be THAT much work to convert, and it'll save you the trouble of other servers downloading stuff into Add-Ons/Add-Ons and base/base, etc.

NO...NO...NO.  Allowing the old-style, willy-nilly, throw-ice cream-anywhere style of Add-Ons would TOTALLY defeat the purpose of .zips.  Requiring .zips might even prevent some older, ice creamty Add-Ons from making it to V9.  In fact, I recommend that people NOT port ice creamty Add-Ons to V9.
I'll be sure to port everything in the add-ons forums that is not already ported, should this occur.

And how will it stop the ice creamy add-ons? All that needs to be done is put them in a .zip, and odds are they'll be a tutorial on this on the forums soon, should this come to pass.

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In addition, the use of RTB2 to manage, download, update, and rate Add-Ons will a HUGE benefit to the community.
How's that relevant to the argument of .cs vs .zip; does RTB2 require that all add-ons be forced into .zips? The community has said that it already works, they just need to make changes when v9 comes out in order to retain compatability.

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Besides, it won't be THAT much work to convert, and it'll save you the trouble of other servers downloading ice cream into Add-Ons/Add-Ons and base/base, etc.
True. It'll just mean you have to re-zip everything every 30 seconds when making mods. Not too much of a problem, it'll just be quite annoying after the first 200 times, that's the only thing. No more alt+s, now you'll have to actually open the folder and drag+drop... every... single... time. Gotta love pointless steps.

No argument aganist fixing the download time, though. Instead, all we have to worry about is people putting the .zip into add-ons/someotherfolder by mistake. Less common, but can still happen.

Oh, and a question. Since Torque views .zip files as folders, could putting a .cs file in a folder trick the system?

I'll be sure to port everything in the add-ons forums that is not already ported, should this occur.

And how will it stop the ice creamy add-ons? All that needs to be done is put them in a .zip, and odds are they'll be a tutorial on this on the forums soon, should this come to pass.

I'm anticipating a laziness factor here.

How's that relevant to the argument of .cs vs .zip; does RTB2 require that all add-ons be forced into .zips? The community has said that it already works, they just need to make changes when v9 comes out in order to retain compatability.

I'm pretty sure the release version will require .zips, since V9 requires zips.

True. It'll just mean you have to re-zip everything every 30 seconds when making mods. Not too much of a problem, it'll just be quite annoying after the first 200 times, that's the only thing. No more alt+s, now you'll have to actually open the folder and drag+drop... every... single... time. Gotta love pointless steps.

That's why you make a .zip template for your Add-Ons that you can use over and over.  It's really not that bad.  The benefits of this system FAR outweigh any costs.

I did a little experiment a while ago :)

I changed my name to "!yingyo!1" with a fresh install of BL. I quickly joined, downloaded and left every enterable server, 9 in total.

By the end I had an Add-Ons folder in my base folder, 3 different types of Shapes folders, textures in between .cs's and was banned by 4 of the servers. Reason: Noob.

Blockland needs to be more caring for the fellow man, less we lose every new player we get.

Well, the Badspot already has the $20 bucks, so there's no incentive there, and the people who actually care enough to contribute are already doing it.


What about them?  V9 is .zip only.  Shut your pie hole.

Badspot

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The whole point of the switch to zips is to make packaging and installation easier - people clearly do not know to do either and it is a serious problem.  The zip system puts the burden on the person packaging the add-on instead of the person installing it.  Either you package it correctly and it works or you don't and it doesn't.  Hopefully this will raise the bar a little bit to filter out some of the crap - although I predict a flood of "heres my add-on plz zip it 4me" posts.

Torque does not support rar files.  Therefore you must use zip files.

Torque treats zip files like folders.  Therefore when you are developing an add-on, you can just use a folder.  This also means that the zips themselves are not downloaded when you connect to a server.  Instead it creates a folder the same name as the zip file and puts the downloaded files in there.  Downloading the .zip from the server with it's .cs files inside it would be a security risk and isn't going to happen. 

Again, the purpose is to make installation of add-ons easier because improper installation is what causes all the add-ons/shapes/add-ons/base/add-ons problems. 



On a related note, if you think every add-on in the forum needs to be ported over you should kill yourself.  90% of them are complete stuff with grievous bugs and some of them even have syntax errors.