Free market or govt controlled economy?

[Caribou]

Predominantly geared towards college-kids.
So if the solution is just to let them use workbooks and the internet at libraries, then why is this even an issue to begin with? If the problem can just be solved by having people go to the library and study on the internet, then communities with libraries should have no socioeconomic gap in test scores. Of course they do, so you've refuted your own hypothesis.

Why wouldn't it be an issue? Kids don't wanna read, we live in a stupid dumbed down society where kids dream of getting new video game consoles, and listen to their Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa. Most kids I know who have minimum wage jobs blow all of their money on new Jordan's, Nike's, iPhone's, video games, consoles, and tattoos.

great rebuttal

thnk u

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[SeventhSandwich]

Why wouldn't it be an issue? Kids don't wanna read, we live in a stupid dumbed down society where kids dream of getting new video game consoles, and listen to their Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa. Most kids I know who have minimum wage jobs blow all of their money on new Jordan's, Nike's, iPhone's, video games, consoles, and tattoos.

So are you gonna propose an explanation for why poorer children do worse on test scores, or just pretend like being stupid is inherently a part of being poor?

Most kids I know who have minimum wage jobs blow all of their money on new Jordan's

Probably because they are teenagers, and teenagers working fast food jobs are actually a pretty small portion of the total minimum-wage work force. Food service jobs are about half of the minimum wage workforce, and only 30% of the food service workers in the US are teenagers. Plus, 30% of the workforce has some college experience, meaning that teenagers are about ~15% of the total minimum wage workforce. The statistics speak for themselves, and no anecdotal evidence is necessary.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/19/who-makes-minimum-wage/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/more-than-a-quarter-of-fast-food-workers-are-raising-a-child/278424/

[Caribou]

So are you gonna propose an explanation for why poorer children do worse on test scores, or just pretend like being stupid is inherently a part of being poor?
Probably because they are teenagers, and teenagers working fast food jobs are actually a pretty small portion of the total minimum-wage work force. Food service jobs are about half of the minimum wage workforce, and only 30% of the food service workers in the US are teenagers. Plus, 30% of the workforce has some college experience, meaning that teenagers are about ~15% of the total minimum wage workforce. The statistics speak for themselves, and no anecdotal evidence is necessary.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/19/who-makes-minimum-wage/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/more-than-a-quarter-of-fast-food-workers-are-raising-a-child/278424/

Many adults are forced to work on the minimum wage because of mistakes they've made in life, and that isn't anyone's fault but theirs. There are always ways to get back on track and to succeed, but some people aren't open to new ideas. Also I will have to restate what I said on page 3:

I never implied any particular class were smart. Poorer socioeconomic groups such as minorities predominantly do worse on tests because a lot of the time they come from families where there isn't much food put down onto the table, they experience a lot of violence, and/or come from incompetent households. Plain and simple. I think you may need a better clue of what you are talking about.

[Kearn]

Why wouldn't it be an issue? Kids don't wanna read, we live in a stupid dumbed down society where kids dream of getting new video game consoles, and listen to their Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa. Most kids I know who have minimum wage jobs blow all of their money on new Jordan's, Nike's, iPhone's, video games, consoles, and tattoos.

well then maybe we should drop the minimum wage and cut welfare programs and get them to wake up and quit being stupid

[Caribou]

well then maybe we should drop the minimum wage and cut welfare programs and get them to wake up and quit being stupid

I don't think that dropping the minimum wage will necessarily bring out a positive effect. Also don't even get me started on welfare programs. I do believe that people who need things like housing  assistance, general government aide, food support, and disability are entitled to those benefits if they are tax-payers but there has to be regulations. For example, if you are a grown man who is more than fit and healthy to go back to work and is on every welfare program known to mankind including disability and is unemployed and has 3 kids then he should be forced by the Government to go back to work, or else the Government takes away each and every welfare cheque he and his family receive each month. That is what I call mooching.

[Nonnel]

I don't think that dropping the minimum wage will necessarily a positive effect. Also don't even get me started on welfare programs. I do believe that people who need things like housing, general government aide, food support, and disability are entitled to those benefits if they are tax-payers but there has to be regulations. For example, if you are a grown man who is more than fit and healthy to go back to work and is on every welfare program known to mankind including disability and is unemployed and has 3 kids then he should be forced by the Government to go back to work, or else the Government takes away each and every welfare cheque he and his family receive each month. That is what I call mooching.

or we can have lower taxes and not cater to people who aren't helping society w/e

[Kearn]

For example, if you are a grown man who is more than fit and healthy to go back to work and is on every welfare program known to mankind including disability and is unemployed and has 3 kids then he should be forced by the Government to go back to work, or else the Government takes away each and every welfare cheque he and his family receive each month. That is what I call mooching.

that was done by congressional republicans and approved by bill clinton but obama made a mess out of it

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-obama-has-gutted-welfore-reform/2012/09/06/885b0092-f835-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_story.html

The 1996 welfare reform law required that a portion of the able-bodied adults in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program — the successor to the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program — work or prepare for work. Those work requirements were the heart of the reform’s success: Welfare rolls dropped by half, and the poverty rate for black children reached its lowest level in history in the years following.

But the Obama administration has jettisoned the law’s work requirements, asserting that, in the future, no state will be required to follow them. In place of the legislated work requirements, the administration has stated, it will unilaterally design its own “work” systems without congressional involvement or consent. Any state will be free to follow the new Obama requirements “in lieu of” the written statute.

[SeventhSandwich]

Many adults are forced to work on the minimum wage because of mistakes they've made in life, and that isn't anyone's fault but theirs.

And many adults work on minimum wage because they were born into conditions that didn't encourage education. Poor people aren't inherently stupid, and gifted education is a good thing because it actually gives smart kids the ability to actually compete academically. When you don't give gifted kids the ability to work on advanced material, they get bored in school and act out. This isn't just an issue of preventing smart kids from learning more stuff, it actually generates problems.

I still don't see what your beef is with gifted education. Having a gifted education program does not impair a school's special education program.

There are always ways to get back on track and to succeed, but some people aren't open to new ideas.

"And the Academy award for 'Oversimplifying Complex Social Problems' goes to Caribou for his article: 'Poor People Are Poor Because They Aren't Open-Minded'"

[Caribou]

or we can have lower taxes and not cater to people who aren't helping society w/e

What about contractors? Most of them are bringing in hundreds of K's per year, and yet they avoid payment of taxes and use loopholes and get away with it. Not to mention, when they have a new building built; they don't use their own money most of the time -- it is a loan taken out and a lot of the time it isn't paid back. That's another example of welfare abuse in a whole different context. I do think though, that there is a severe income inequality in America but the way it is being handled now is all wrong and should be thoroughly addressed.

that was done by congressional republicans and approved by bill clinton but obama made a mess out of it

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-obama-has-gutted-welfore-reform/2012/09/06/885b0092-f835-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_story.html

Obama has made a mess of a lot of things. I used to support him, but he has proven to us that he cant lead. He cant even sit with Republicans or foreign leaders and have a dinner with them or even have the balls to invite them over to dinner.

And many adults work on minimum wage because they were born into conditions that didn't encourage education. Poor people aren't inherently stupid, and gifted education is a good thing because it actually gives smart kids the ability to actually compete academically. When you don't give gifted kids the ability to work on advanced material, they get bored in school and act out. This isn't just an issue of preventing smart kids from learning more stuff, it actually generates problems.

I still don't see what your beef is with gifted education. Having a gifted education program does not impair a school's special education program. "And the Academy award for 'Oversimplifying Complex Social Problems' goes to Caribou for his article: 'Poor People Are Poor Because They Aren't Open-Minded'"

And when you don't give high functioning disabled kids the chance to shine and compete with regular kids, they act out too just as the average kid would too. Also may I ask, where did I ever imply that poor people are poor because they aren't open-minded?

[SeventhSandwich]

And when you don't give high functioning disabled kids the chance to shine and compete with regular kids, they act out too just as the average kid would too.

You do realize special education programs are largely voluntary, right? Like, the parent signs a form and the child is put into the class for as long as they have to be. There's no laws saying that a school has to permanently separate disabled kids from non-disabled kids. If a kid with mild handicapation is performing a lot better in school, there's no rule saying that his parents can't take him out of the special ed class.

Also may I ask, where did I ever imply that poor people are poor because they aren't open-minded?

I quoted you so maybe you should look there

[Nonnel]

What about contractors? Most of them are bringing in hundreds of K's per year, and yet they avoid payment of taxes and use loopholes and get away with it. Not to mention, when they have a new building built; they don't use their own money most of the time -- it is a loan taken out and a lot of the time it isn't paid back. That's another example of welfare abuse in a whole different context.

government loans are just a bad idea

[SlayerZ99]

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sorry but if I had to sit through some regular classes at school i wouldnt even show up to school

[mus]

abolish money entirely

[Nonnel]

abolish money entirely

die commie scum

[Swat 3]

Add mixed economy, because you get the best of both worlds.

Of course, lean it to the free market.