cops shoot black father of two for holding toy gun in walmart

[Aces]

they saw a weapon and shot. which turned out not to be a weapon. tough stuff. dont be stupid and wave toy guns around at a walmart.

The thing is there was no threat? No one was running away because they had the common sense to know that at a store that sells airsoft guns, that someone MIGHT just be checking one out.

It's pretty ignorant of a cop to not know what guns are real and what aren't.

And it's not "tough stuff" when concerning people's lives here you twat. Police are meant to keep the peace, not cause death and trouble.

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they saw a weapon and shot. which turned out not to be a weapon. tough stuff. dont be stupid and wave toy guns around at a walmart.

you can't just kill someone for holding a gun. fake or not.

[Harm94]

Iirc it was an airsoft or BBgun, which either do or don't have distinctive tips. The one I had didn't but it was obviously fake.
Still, your preemptive years of training tells you to immediately shoot even when shots have not been reported and no one is hurt?

Seems particularly fishy in the case of the police to me.

In my years of criminal justice classes, we have gone over the use of force and the totality of circumstances. If shoot and own firearms frequently you could probably tell the difference between a bb gun and a real firearm.

What I would like to know is how much experience the officers had. There was a case this year where a latino kid was walking down the street with a replica ak and got shot after pointing it at a deputy who told him to put it down.

The one on the left is the real deal while the one on the right is the fake one. If you aren't around guns enough I so guess you would be right about instincts.

Back to use of force:
You can shoot at someone after failing to comply with your order to drop the weapon or if they point it/start shooting. An internal affairs investigation is conducted if the police shoot anyone.

It's pretty ignorant of a cop to not know what guns are real and what aren't.

And it's not "tough stuff" when concerning people's lives here you twat. Police are meant to keep the peace, not cause death and trouble.

You are the second person that I know who understands this.

[Starkiller]

The thing is there was no threat? No one was running away because they had the common sense to know that at a store that sells airsoft guns, that someone MIGHT just be checking one out.

lol. you dont get it do you. the police got a call that a man was waiving a gun around at walmart. so what are you going to expect when you see that man holding the silhouette of a gun. your going to think gun.

if you believe he has a gun you arent going to ask him to show you if its real or not. you wont ask him to turn around so you can  get a better look. you will want to protect the people in that store and eliminate what you persieve as a threat. in order for there to be peace, the disturbers of the peace must be dealt with accordingly.

most people who bring weapons to places like this are mentaly unstable. so the cops treat them as if they are. mentaly unstable killers are unpredictable and could do anything. you cant take forever to deal with them "peacfully" or people will be hurt.

It's pretty ignorant of a cop to not know what guns are real and what aren't.

if i had a pile of 30 guns, half of them were airsoft, and the other were real loaded weapons that i will kill you with if you say they are fake.

i pick up and hold each individual gun for three seconds. in these three seconds you must decide which ones are real, and which are fake. your life, and everyone else s around you depends on whether or not you guess right.

are you going to take the risk and guess one of them is fake? i dont think so.

And it's not "tough stuff" when concerning people's lives here you twat. Police are meant to keep the peace, not cause death and trouble.

this man was stupid enough to wave a gun around at people in the middle of a walmart long enough for cops to get the call, drive over there, and make it to his position. i dont feel sorry for him. i dont feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to do something that would get them shot.

when you have to decide if 1 idiot gets to live, or everybody around you. who the forget will you pick.

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after thinking about this further starkiller is in the wrong

[Harm94]

you can't just kill someone for holding a gun. fake or not.

Not entirely true.

If someone is brandishing a weapon/fake weapon in a threatening manner you have to order them to put the weapon on the ground. If they fail to comply you can shoot them, even if they start pointing it at you. What happens if you don't use force after ordering them multiple times to drop the gun.

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after thinking about this further starkiller is in the wrong

exactly

Both of these officers were not loving newbies. They would've known if an airsoft gun was being held, and if a guy was not being crazy or not.

How the forget do we know he was waving a gun around, Starkiller? How the forget do we know if the police even told him to put it down a bit before he was shot?

Officers are learn to subdue and injure, not kill.

[Aces]

Imma stop you right here because to our knowledge this is a Walmart that has an aisle where you can but airsoft guns.
Your observation skills as a cop have to be near blind to not recall that non-lethal guns exist in the area.

It's also a very very dangerous situation when the first thing the cop does if he sees a gun is to open fire to eliminate the threat on sight.

Any experienced cop would give so much as a heads up that the "perpetrator" would know that a gun is pointed at him and he is not to act. It's not a cop's job to go rambo and try to kill before assessing the situation. Like really, a few seconds more of scanning the scene and no one could have died. He could've given him 5 seconds to explain that it was a loving BB gun.

How the forget do we know he was waving a gun around, Starkiller? How the forget do we know if the police even told him to put it down a bit before he was shot?

Probably assuming the worst.
Most likely he was aiming the gun into the distance down the sight or scope to get a feel for it.

The question that lies is who did the man shoot beforehand? The scene was completely calm until police show up.
Entirely ironic

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How the forget do we know he was waving a gun around, Starkiller? How the forget do we know if the police even told him to put it down a bit before he was shot?

"John Crawford was gunned down at a Walmart store in Beavercreek amid reports that he was waving a rifle at customers, including children."

[Starkiller]

Not entirely true.

If someone is brandishing a weapon/fake weapon in a threatening manner you have to order them to put the weapon on the ground. If they fail to comply you can shoot them, even if they start pointing it at you. What happens if you don't use force after ordering them multiple times to drop the gun.

now imagine that except he shoots EVERYONE IN THE STORE

Imma stop you right here because to our knowledge this is a Walmart that has an aisle where you can but airsoft guns.
Your observation skills as a cop have to be near blind to not recall that non-lethal guns exist in the area.

It's also a very very dangerous situation when the first thing the cop does if he sees a gun is to open fire to eliminate the threat on sight.

Any experienced cop would give so much as a heads up that the "perpetrator" would know that a gun is pointed at him and he is not to act. It's not a cop's job to go rambo and try to kill before assessing the situation. Like really, a few seconds more of scanning the scene and no one could have died. He could've given him 5 seconds to explain that it was a loving BB gun.

how long do you think it would take you to figure out the one on the right was fake. im guessing forever
it would take an expert way longer than 5 seconds to figure out it was fake. especially if he was more than 10 yards way from the gun.

[Aces]

except it's a BB gun and he shot no one beforehand.

why would he wait until cops came to shoot the place up?

[Harm94]

Not every cop is exposed to guns as heavily.

now imagine that except he shoots EVERYONE IN THE STORE

Oh no I have been hit by a bb gun! Call amboolances!

[Starkiller]

except it's a BB gun and he shot no one beforehand.

why would he wait until cops came to shoot the place up?

mentally unstable people do not think like normal people do.

Oh no I have been hit by a bb gun! Call amboolances!

you totally did not get what i was saying did you

[Aces]

mentally unstable people do not think like normal people do.
you totally did not get what i was saying did you

He wasn't mentally unstable though.
You're incorporating situations and speculations to something that already happened.

now imagine that except he shoots EVERYONE IN THE STORE
how long do you think it would take you to figure out the one on the right was fake. im guessing forever
it would take an expert way longer than 5 seconds to figure out it was fake. especially if he was more than 10 yards way from the gun.

We don't need to imagine because he did nothing wrong. They don't immediately open fire on suspects of Flash Mob or homocide so why would they jump the gun for this very specific and particular situation.

How long do you think it'd take to explain it's a BB gun? like one short sentence maybe.