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wasn't this like a week ago


« Last Edit: September 01, 2014, 01:29:00 AM by SpongeCraft1212 »

wasn't this like a week ago

I remember hearing about this at least a few days ago, but apparently not everyone heard.

Not believing it since it's from Machinima.
That's a really stupid reason not to believe something that's already fairly well known.

It's legit. I'm actually supporting the ACCC on this one. EA and Ubisoft both offer refunds through their services, so it's only fair Valve does as well.

More importantly, that's the law (in Australia), so unless Valve wants to try and change federal law in Straya, they don't really have a choice but to comply.

Actually, Australia is correct about Steam not giving refunds. I agree.

The "Nanny State" makes a good point here

i would never expect australia to be calling out steam for being full of early-access, non-refundable garbage; that's the most logical claim they've made thus far. well, it's not like it's based on morals, it's just that the steam policies conflict with australia's... but still

Some early access games are highly questionable at their quality i am sure, but the thing is that people are willing to take that risk apparently.
Unless they couldn't read, early access clearly states:
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Early Access Game
Get instant access and start playing; get involved with this game as it develops.
Note: This Early Access game may or may not change significantly over the course of development. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you may want to wait until the game progresses further in development.
And then there is a button that says "learn more" which states a lot of things including:
"You should be aware that some teams will be unable to 'finish' their game."
They warn the consumer of the fact that the games can be unfinished at the time of purchase and might stay that way.
It shouldn't be a thing, i agree, i rather would like to see every game in a good playable state on Steam, but apparently people think otherwise and actually buy a lot of the early access games.
This can be reinforced by the fact that there are multiple games on the top seller list that are actually early access.
The consumer should be more careful before they purchase things.
It should be comparable to buying the game on DVD in a store, i can see your point, but on the same point, the consumer is getting warned of the risks and is apparently willign to take these.
Who is really at fault then?

According to outdated laws, Valve is.
Times change, laws are often a bit, if not very, outdated.
Some of the laws in countries cannot even handle online purchases because they didn't have that at the time of writing the laws about purchasing stuff.

I am not completely defending Valve however, but i think that if you cry about buying into an unfinished product even though you have been warned multiple times, you should be a bit ashamed of yourself.
Take the risk and face the possible consequences or just be patient and see if it gets released and if the reviews and such are good.
Same with prepurchasing, a lot of people are crying about their prepurchases being the mistakes of their lives.
I too have done some prepurchases of which i didn't like some, but that is the risk you take.
You are buying it before the reviews and such are even out of the game, so there is no way to guarentee if the game is any good.
You ought to think carefully before you buy a product.
That is how it works in this capitalist world we live in.

TL;DR
Do research before you buy a product or you might find out it is not worth it.
Do not believe every commercial or other way of promotion of the game by every word, sometimes they may mislead you, accidentally or on purpose.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2014, 05:40:31 AM by lordician »

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i'd wager that the real issue here is that it can be very difficult to obtain refunds for normal releases that are just plain broken / absolute garbage. Games like Air Control or War Z.

Offer refunds at 1% original value problem solved.

They do make a good point. Why should only Europe be entitled to refunds while the rest of world has to put up with a stuffty product?

Now I research before I buy, but I don't like how people in one country are entitled to something that other are not.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2014, 01:39:28 PM by Harm94 »