Why does the United States education system suck so much?

[Crispy_]

Yes it does. If they don't find success they're not trying.

is this sarcasm?

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[FacePalmParadox]

I think my biggest disappointment about the USA education system, at least according to my experiences, is that the college I take isn't at all what I expected in high school.

I thought college was gonna be living hell, even though I graduated with a GPA greater than 3.6 in high school,
due to how modular high school is.

You get up 5 days a week for school, and if you're lucky, you get a short day every week,
and as you progress through school, you tend to have pre-defined classes, and some electives later.

And as you go up and up, things become harder and harder,
like you imagine middle school to be really advanced while you're at elementary, then you think high school was going to be really hard when you're in middle school, and then finally college when you're in high school.

Until I actually took college, I though college was just a harder paid version of high school.

It isn't. And it shouldn't be that way, as in it's perfect as it actually is.

In the college I take, everything's a elective, including online courses.
(I did have them at my main deaf school, but not my public school while dual-enrolling.)

And I choose to only go two days per week for actual courses, and take the rest of the courses online.


Grades so far:

Public School: C? (Five Days a week, has less holidays[/color], 5 years of dual-enrollment (6th-10th, 9th/10th was hell.)

Deaf School: A-B  (Five Days a week,Has more holidays, all of my years (Pre-K to 12th))

State College: A-B during high school, A+ after graduation (Three days per week during dual enrollment (10-12th), 2 days post-graduation.)


When I took college for the first time, I realized that college wasn't the living hell my 6-year old self's brain predicted it to be, and then as I started to take more college classes, I realized that college is for adults, like adults who has families and jobs, not like the public school system which is more "for kids", since kids don't seem to have the same range of choice as adults have, even when the kids become old enough to drive a car.

As a high school student, I could pick some classes I want, and some extracurricular stuff, and maybe even a different teacher, but that's it.

As a college student, I pick the classes, I pick the time, I pick the day, and I pick the professor.

I'm much happier now.

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In and all, the public school system should at least promote specialization, like specialize in mathematics, science, etc.
College does the same thing, and that's another reason why I'm so disappointed.

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If only jobs could be tweaked that way...

Also if I knew what job I want(I don't.)

[BubbaGum]

is this sarcasm?

yea I was wondering that

[Flame]

Yes it does. If they don't find success they're not trying.

it actually took me a long time to find success, and i tried really hard.

i wanted to be an astronaut, but.. i had absolutely no idea where to start. i almost gave it up until i picked up engineering... then mechanical engineering... then aeronautical engineering... then astronautical engineering

kinda took a REALLY long, wonky 4 year hard as balls of steel path for me but i eventually got there

i realize for others they have no clue still, but that doesn't mean they're not trying at least

[Foxscotch]

and don't say i'm "lucky" or "priviledged"

well, you are actually both of these things. not every school offers anything like what you're talking about

[Jubel]

is this sarcasm?

No.
You don't get anywhere by slacking off.

If you want to get anywhere in life, you have to work your ass off to do it.
The people complaining about how "uuuunnhhnhn i am working so hard ;(" clearly aren't as they're whining on internet forums about how school sucks.

reality check dudes: you have to work work work to get success, and the school system reflects that. you do stuff in school, you're probably never going to be valuable to any company except mcdonalds.

no wonder he's called McJobless, because his lack of motivation to do anything to solve the problems are keeping him such. it's not the school system failing, it's the people who are in it.

[Flame]

well, you are actually both of these things. not every school offers anything like what you're talking about

actually, the programs i'm in are government run. they're not through my school, and i have to drive an hour to get to tucson international airport to actually go to my classes and it's a class of only 30 kids from all across tucson

[McJobless]

i'm not saying everything has to be serious. the fun part is the reward!

But it can and should also be a rewarding process. Endings are great and all, but the journey is the entire thing, and that should be as enjoyable as it possibly can.

does your school only offer those database entry courses, or is it like a prerequisite for further classes?

It was a 2 year class, and we were supposed to cover networking, but all we did was talk about a few big companies and not even touch on how to establish or make secure networks. There was an an actual 100% programming class that got to make calculators and games, but because I did Studies of Religion (which I didn't have a choice in) I was not allowed to do programming.

this isn't what i was trying to say. i do care if others are failing, and my point was that there are opportunities out there. i'm not an elitist, but your post made me realize that schools are not giving these opportunities the attention they deserve. schools need to help students realize that there are opportunities out there, and i think that's one of the killing factors. i didn't say i don't care that everyone else might be failing, so i'm really sorry if i came off that way
this is what i believe. a lot of the tools in the educational arsenal go unused by students. i first thought it was because of the lack of motivation of students, but now i understand it's because of the schools not shedding enough light on them.

I appreciate your sincerity/calmness (for lack of a better word) and I apologise for being quite aggressive with my opinions. It doesn't help this has been something I've been studying and focusing on for 2 years now.

I won't deny there are plenty of places students are being lazy in. That's absolutely true, and there are some real pieces of work out there (especially in the Western suburbs where I live; lots of troubled kids out here). I just think if the schools provided just a bit more a better learning experience, more kids would leap on the chance and we'd be seeing a higher success rate.

EDIT: I'm ignoring Jubel because he's a cunt who has no idea what he's talking about, and is just upset somebody who is currently at the top of all his classes and has two jobs at the moment is complaining about a broken system.

[Foxscotch]

actually, the programs i'm in are government run. they're not through my school, and i have to drive an hour to get to tucson international airport to actually go to my classes and it's a class of only 30 kids from all across tucson

not everyone has a car they can use, or can afford gas for driving an hour every day or week or however often you go to those classes. I also doubt that's a normal thing for airports to do

[Flame]

But it can and should also be a rewarding process. Endings are great and all, but the journey is the entire thing, and that should be as enjoyable as it possibly can.

yeah, i agree, actually. i take back what i said, i'm having a lot of fun in my engineering courses. literally the third day we went on an airplane and got to play with its' hydraulics. classes should be fun and engaging for the student.

but yikes, sorry about your class. that really blows

I appreciate your sincerity/calmness (for lack of a better word) and I apologise for being quite aggressive with my opinions. It doesn't help this has been something I've been studying and focusing on for 2 years now.

it's alright. if it's something you've been studying for two years, i should be the one listening to you haha

not everyone has a car they can use, or can afford gas for driving an hour every day or week or however often you go to those classes. I also doubt that's a normal thing for airports to do

you're probably right, and i will admit gas is a bitch to pay for. sorry

[Crispy_]

yeah im pretty sure this guy is joking, lol funny(?)

[Taboo]

is this sarcasm?

My parents came to this country with minimal education and basically no understanding of English during a time of racism and discrimination. Today they're able to happily support themselves, three children, and still help out other family members.
Hard work can get anyone anywhere.

[McJobless]

it's alright. if it's something you've been studying for two years, i should be the one listening to you haha

I wouldn't take me too seriously, I'm a college student after all :P And yeah, I tend to overlook a lot of things and make a lot of fallacies. I'm very interested in this thread and in argument I get into since it's a chance for me to get better at discussion and see how well I've learned.

My parents came to this country with minimal education and basically no understanding of English during a time of racism and discrimination. Today they're able to happily support themselves, three children, and still help out other family members.
Hard work can get anyone anywhere.

It's much more rewarding when you do put the hard work and get rewarded thusly and I think your parents are brave individuals, but I don't think we should be denying people access to better education simply so they have to "prove themselves".

[TristanLuigi]

Yeah it sucks, but not because of some core issue or anything like that, because I'm loving high school... except for when we don't actually loving learn anything. I'm so stuck of billstuff with kids goofing around slowing down the class when it cuts into my grades and my learning. Maybe it's a bit cliché, but teachers are damn right when they say you're here to learn. I'm not saying you should sit perfectly quiet and stare at the projector, but when the teacher is lecturing end people won't shut the forget up it's obnoxious. Give a stuff about what you're learning, yeah? Because my life got so much better when I stopped looking at school like mindless tedium and started looking at it like learning. It probably helped that I started AP classes which are far more interesting, though. Also, if school isn't working out for you, it's probably not the school's fault unless your teacher literally does not teach. You're either stupid, lazy, or both. I definitely fall under lazy :P

TLDR: I'm sick of kids that don't give a stuff about school. If you stop looking at it like it's hell, it won't be.

Note: This isn't targeted toward any fortumers, I just skimmed the last page or two and posted. If I managed to offend you on accident, you're probably the kind of person that I was trying to offend anyway. I'm also a bit angrier than normal because I'm tired and hungry and I just ironically got done doing a 3 hour assignment.

Or maybe this is all BS and I happened to go to a great school with mostly great teachers. Who knows.

[McJobless]

Sounds just like my college. Great content, great teachers, good motivation, but some terrible students.

We had this one loving ADHD starfish who decided to be as misogynistic as he could to my game design teacher, even after he already started religious battles in the class a couple months back, and forced my teacher to stay back once before because he hadn't done ANY of his work and distracted my poor friend for the entire class. My teacher eventually had enough and just left. The thing is that much teacher is under a lot of physical pain due to this condition she has (some problem with her spine, I think), and so it's annoying enough for her having to go all the way to my college everyday with sticks, but then to have to be berated by this forgettard...?

These people are horrible, so I think there's multiple layer to the issue. I wanted to focus on the issue that would be easier to fix, which is the education system. Fixing the behaviour of children...not something I'm fantastic with.