What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)

[Epicduke]

idk about you guys but i'm just waiting until the religious people get in here

like half of them already came here

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[Rally]

You can't tell women what they're allowed to do with their own bodies. It just doesn't work. If you get rid of professional abortion, you just get improvised abortions which usually results in the death of the baby and the mother. (aka backstreet/coat hanger abortions)

As for the 'conditions' argument, I'm pretty sure abortions are already physically and financially hefty. I don't think anyone enjoys getting abortions. We should however be teaching better love education, obviously the 'abstinence' crap isn't working.

lol like mens' opinions matter

Did you get dumped recently? You've been posting an abnormal amount of butthurt stuff about men lately.

[Rigel]

I think the baby is not exactly "Living" until it's out of the womb.

When it's still in the womb, it's basically still a part of the mother, and people can choose what to do with their body. So I'm pro-choice.

[Froth]

I think the baby is not exactly "Living" until it's out of the womb.

When it's still in the womb, it's basically still a part of the mother, and people can choose what to do with their body. So I'm pro-choice.

[Derontchi]

Pro-Choice. A human should have control over their own body. Forcing a person to give birth even if they don't want it is wrong, especially if your reasoning boils down to "It conflicts with MY morals". Childbirth isn't for everyone. Why ruin 1 potentially great life that can give birth at a later, better time? Why force a child and its family grow in poverty because of a mistake? Or force a child to grow up hated because it was born out of rape or was born handicapped?

I'm about to poke very many holes in your argument, sir, so be prepared.

First of all, at this point it isn't their own body, it's another unique person's body that they are dealing with when it comes to abortion. I also try to keep a religious or moral standpoint out of my arguments, but my morals are based on valid, logical ideas. And it's not just one life. It's two at this point, and they can just give it up for adoption if they really hate their child so much.

If they live in poverty, they should have used protection, I mean come on. Murder does not cover up a mistake, it just adds on another "mistake", and it never goes away. And about the whole "rape" argument: Not to sound like an insensitive starfish, but abortion is not justified by rape. Rape victims should be treated with gentle care and comfort, but that does not include vacuuming a living, breathing HUMAN BEING out of their uterus. The child should not be punished for the crimes of his father. All abortion does is just it adds another tragedy onto rape.

It is a woman's choice to have a child, but once the child has been conceived, she has already made that choice. If she made a mistake, that was on her. If the father made a mistake, it's on him. But the baby did not make either of those mistakes and is still punished? Even if innocent? What kind of judy dooty is that!? Abortion has no place in a civilized society, especially not one like the United States'.

Being progressive does not necessarily mean blindly promoting something just because it's new...

I think the baby is not exactly "Living" until it's out of the womb.

When it's still in the womb, it's basically still a part of the mother, and people can choose what to do with their body. So I'm pro-choice.

Life begins at conception, bud.

[Donro98]

I'm about to poke very many holes in your argument, sir, so be prepared.

First of all, at this point it isn't their own body, it's another unique person's body that they are dealing with when it comes to abortion. I also try to keep a religious or moral standpoint out of my arguments, but my morals are based on valid, logical ideas. And it's not just one life. It's two at this point, and they can just give it up for adoption if they really hate their child so much.

If they live in poverty, they should have used protection, I mean come on. Murder does not cover up a mistake, it just adds on another "mistake", and it never goes away. And about the whole "rape" argument: Not to sound like an insensitive starfish, but abortion is not justified by rape. Rape victims should be treated with gentle care and comfort, but that does not include vacuuming a living, breathing HUMAN BEING out of their uterus. The child should not be punished for the crimes of his father. All abortion does is just it adds another tragedy onto rape.

It is a woman's choice to have a child, but once the child has been conceived, she has already made that choice. If she made a mistake, that was on her. If the father made a mistake, it's on him. But the baby did not make either of those mistakes and is still punished? Even if innocent? What kind of judy dooty is that!? Abortion has no place in a civilized society, especially not one like the United States'.

Being progressive does not necessarily mean blindly promoting something just because it's new...
Life begins at conception, bud.

You have contradicted yourself so hard. You said rape shouldnt end in abortion but then said that its the womans choice to have a child?

Most women will not give up their children due to their maternal instincts clicking in.

Not to mention that contraception is NOT always effective

IT IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. Sperm isn't a human being, an egg isn't a human being. It is a mass of cells until it grows cells (imo)

[Aoki³]

I agree with Derontchi; life starts at conception.

[Derontchi]

You have contradicted yourself so hard. You said rape shouldnt end in abortion but then said that its the womans choice to have a child?

Most women will not give up their children due to their maternal instincts clicking in.

IT IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. Sperm isn't a human being, an egg isn't a human being. It is a mass of cells until it grows cells (imo)

It is a woman's choice to have a child. She made that choice at conception.

It is science, mang. All life begins at a single cell. Cells are living things by definition.

They are humans. They are living things. They are our own.

[Donro98]

It is a woman's choice to have a child. She made that choice at conception.

It is science, mang. All life begins at a single cell. Cells are living things by definition.

They are humans. They are living things. They are our own.

by that definition procrastination is wrong.

Again, there are moments where it IS NOT A CHOICE. Rape, contraceptives not working.
The woman has not made a choice to have a child in those instances.

You're being a tad hypocritical.

[Rally]

First of all, at this point it isn't their own body, it's another unique person's body that they are dealing with when it comes to abortion. I also try to keep a religious or moral standpoint out of my arguments, but my morals are based on valid, logical ideas. And it's not just one life. It's two at this point, and they can just give it up for adoption if they really hate their child so much.

Alright look dude, the fetus in the womb does not: think, feel, experience pain/emotion/anything. It's a bunch of cells that divide and divide. This husk of cells is ENTIRELY DEPENDENT on the mothers body. It's practically a loving tumor, you're romanticizing this way too much. Do you have absolutely any idea what it's like to deliver a child, naturally or through surgery? You can choose to: go through an intense amount of stress and pain, or scar your body for life. As a matter of fact, most women are already scarred from stretch marks.

You cannot force somebody to go through that. It's ridiculous.

If they live in poverty, they should have used protection, I mean come on. Murder does not cover up a mistake, it just adds on another "mistake", and it never goes away. And about the whole "rape" argument: Not to sound like an insensitive starfish, but abortion is not justified by rape. Rape victims should be treated with gentle care and comfort, but that does not include vacuuming a living, breathing HUMAN BEING out of their uterus. The child should not be punished for the crimes of his father. All abortion does is just it adds another tragedy onto rape.

I'd like to note that you are an insensitive starfish no matter how you try to make it sound like you're not. Not only has the victim had to suffer rape, but now ALSO has to suffer pregnancy, and now you want to make her suffer labor too? I mean, jesus forget, while we're at it, why not just punch her in the ribs or something? Even when I was a hardcore religious nut I still believed to make an exception in the case of rape. Once again, it's not a living human being. It's an extension of the mother.

Seriously dude? 'Should have used protection'? Most people who live in poverty have not received proper education (and by extension, love education). That's a serious load of crap dude. Not to mention; protection doesn't have a 100% certainty (also dude to lack of love education)

It is a woman's choice to have a child, but once the child has been conceived, she has already made that choice. If she made a mistake, that was on her. If the father made a mistake, it's on him. But the baby did not make either of those mistakes and is still punished? Even if innocent? What kind of judy dooty is that!? Abortion has no place in a civilized society, especially not one like the United States'.

Being progressive does not necessarily mean blindly promoting something just because it's new...
Life begins at conception, bud.

Once the child has been conceived she's only made one choice: to have love. And that's not always the case (rape) and sometimes they weren't expecting conception (failed protection). The baby isn't born yet. The 'baby' is literally a little group of cells dependently connected to the mother which contains some genetic information. I might say that an embryo is a 'potential for life', but it's still not life.

I hate to pull this low blow but it's relevant either way, but you obviously don't have a huge level of respect for women or their ability to make their own choices

[dkamm65]

And about the whole "rape" argument: Not to sound like an insensitive starfish, but abortion is not justified by rape. Rape victims should be treated with gentle care and comfort, but that does not include vacuuming a living, breathing HUMAN BEING out of their uterus. The child should not be punished for the crimes of his father. All abortion does is just it adds another tragedy onto rape.

What about a situation where a father rapes his daughter and impregnates her? You seriously believe that girl should have to support and raise a constant reminder of horrible loveual abuse? How would you explain that to the child? Do you really want them to have to live with that? Did you even for a moment consider the effects having a child from rape or loveual abuse can have on the mother? Stop treating this as a black and white issue.

What about situations where an abortion is the only way to save the mother's life? Should they both die when at least one can be saved? Should her husband have to live with the loss of his entire family instead of just their child, when they could potentially try again in the future? Stop treating this as a black and white issue.

What about when the parents find out their child is severely disabled before birth? Why should she have to carry the child to term if it's not going to live more than a few days anyway? Should they have to cope with a serious burden on them for the rest of their life for a child that isn't even aware of its own existence? Stop treating this as a black and white issue.

Unless you specifically address every question in this post, I'm ignoring any reply you give, if you even give one.

This is why people dictating what a woman should be able to do with her body pisses me off.

[Qwepir]

Life begins at conception, bud.

pfft

[Kearn]

It's practically a loving tumor

except the part where if you leave it alone 9 months it doesnt metastasize and kill you

[Rally]

It's practically a loving (benign) tumor

[Oasis]

The Earth is already over-populated. Restricting access to birth control and abortion are literally the worst things that humanity could be doing.

My views on abortion alone are you are not a human being until you can/are surviving on your own. Until then you are a parasite with no real rights except to not be ignorantly deformed by moron mothers that do drugs and drink while pregnant. Until your umbilical cord is cut, the mother should be able to terminate, especially if the fetus is defective, the parent's situation economically has changed, etc.

In the cases of rape, abortions should be readily available. Some women choose to keep the fetus, while others want it out as soon as possible.

Girls under 18 should need parents to at least know that they are having an abortion. However if there is suspicion of abuse then let the proper authorities know and all that. I think at any age a girl should be able to decide if she wants to keep such a life changing thing, but like I said, parents should be in the know.