Author Topic: What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)  (Read 42655 times)

If you can prove that the zygote right after formation is a living breathing human being, i will eat a cactus in a livestream and post it onto youtube.
I'll circumcise myself.

Bring something up then unbiased and proven by science.
Okay. Growth and development is one of the things required of something to be considered living. A fetus is rapidly growing and developing to become a fully developed human. Nothing can be born fully developed. Also, reproduction is the act of creating another living thing. If a fetus is conceived, the process was successful, and therefore it is living. Unless of course it was a miscarriage or something.


If you can prove that the zygote right after formation is a living breathing human being, i will eat a cactus in a livestream and post it onto youtube.

This is what I can prove: when a sperm and egg combine a creation is made.
Call it whatever the hell you want



Yep, there it is. A child. It kinda looks a little different from my younger cousins...
That was you at one point, sir.

Okay. Growth and development is one of the things required of something to be considered living. A fetus is rapidly growing and developing to become a fully developed human. Nothing can be born fully developed. Also, reproduction is the act of creating another living thing. If a fetus is conceived, the process was successful, and therefore it is living. Unless of course it was a miscarriage or something.

A blade of grass in your backyard is 'considered living'. Should we trial people for murder every time they step on an ant?

That was you at one point, sir.

No stuff professor. Was this supposed to give me some new outlook on life? Was this supposed to make me feel sorry for zygotes? Dude, it's a loving diploid cell. I don't feel anything for it.

A blade of grass in your backyard is 'considered living'. Should we trial people for murder every time they step on an ant?
No. Because the ant was given a chance to live. But the ant followed the life cycle that includes death.

But when a baby, a unique human being, like ourselves, is killed before it is even born for the mistakes of the parent, it defies biology. We're really playing with fire here. It is not good. Abortion is not right.

Okay. Growth and development is one of the things required of something to be considered living. A fetus is rapidly growing and developing to become a fully developed human. Nothing can be born fully developed. Also, reproduction is the act of creating another living thing. If a fetus is conceived, the process was successful, and therefore it is living. Unless of course it was a miscarriage or something.
This is entirely of your own conjecture, and therefore it is biased. If the information is everywhere, it must not be hard to pull up an article from a scientific journal that states the same.

This is what I can prove: when a sperm and egg combine a creation is made.
Call it whatever the hell you want
Not a child.

Was this supposed to give me some new outlook on life? Was this supposed to make me feel sorry for zygotes? Dude, it's a loving diploid cell. I don't feel anything for it.

No, it's just astonishing that you think of your life with such little value.
I mean stuff, you were once that diploid cell so it doesn't matter, right?

No, it's just astonishing that you think of your life with such little value.
I mean stuff, you were once that diploid cell so it doesn't matter, right?

No, it doesn't matter because it's a diploid cell, whether or not we were diploid cells at one point during our personal development/growth in the womb is completely irrelevant because we aren't diploid cells any more and we hold no physical or psychological relation to diploid cells.
If it turned out we evolved from a fish which can still be found in Earth's waters and is commonly eaten would you feel sorry for that fish when you saw people eating it at restaurants just because we were one of them at some point in time?

That was you at one point, sir.


As was this. Your point?

Also, here's another argument for the "potential for life" thing. Because a living child is a possible but not certain future, it is just one of many possible futures. Let's set up a similar scenario with a set of 3 possible jobs: {A, B, C}, or I could be jobless {Ø}. Now, I can take any of the three, but after picking one I cannot pick another. If I have to make a decision within a week, there is no way to preserve all possible futures. Picking one job eliminates the others, and picking none eliminates all 3. Thetefore, not all possible futures can remain possible and the idea of doing so is absurd. Likewise, the idea of preserving the possible-but-not-certain future of a sac of chemicals is absurd.

No, it's just astonishing that you think of your life with such little value.
I mean stuff, you were once that diploid cell so it doesn't matter, right?
Things can gain value over time. His life is valuable now but wasn't when he was a ball of phospholipids.
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No, it doesn't matter because it's a diploid cell, whether or not we were diploid cells at one point is completely irrelevant because we aren't any more and we hold no physical or psychological relation to diploid cells.
That's because you weren't aborted. Duh.

No. Because the ant was given a chance to live. But the ant followed the life cycle that includes death.

But when a baby, a unique human being, like ourselves, is killed before it is even born for the mistakes of the parent, it defies biology. We're really playing with fire here. It is not good. Abortion is not right.

And what exactly do you think is going to happen as a consequence? Is the universal admin going to come down from Saturn and ban us for breaking the rules?

Yeah, we interrupted biology. That's why it's called an abort-ion. So what dude. You know what's natural? Baby spiders eat their mother alive for sustenance. A certain wasp parasite lays eggs in caterpillars which eats it from the inside out. Botflies are also natural. Abortion is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff that goes on in nature.

No, it's just astonishing that you think of your life with such little value.
I mean stuff, you were once that diploid cell so it doesn't matter, right?

I also owe my life to a sperm cell from my dad. Last time I jerked off a didn't cry over all the sperm that I had just wasted. Obviously, I have no regard for life itself.

You're delusional. Potential to be x =/= existing as x.

This is entirely of your own conjecture, and therefore it is biased. If the information is everywhere, it must not be hard to pull up an article from a scientific journal that states the same.

That's not even what's being aborted here, bud.

A child is not a weed to be killed. It is an organism to be cared for and not brutally murdered. It is the miracle of life. Abortion is barbaric.

The way I see it, a "child" isn't a child until it has a consciousness. For us religious folk, there's also a believe that a zygote doesn't become a child until it is blessed with  a "soul", as I've been mentioning earlier in this thread. In the old Greek school of thought, the body is the zygote/child's body, the soul is the soul, and the mind is the consciousness.

Even though all things are living, there's a difference between simply functioning and having a consciousness.

Zygotes, cells, bacteria etc are not conscious, do not carry any level of thought, can not feel, and do not share the mental or metaphysical capabilities of a normal human being. While they have POTENTIAL to be a child, realistically they are not one until a certain point.

That's why I classify stuff like the morning-after pill in the same category as condoms and whatnot; contraceptives. There's no "murder", but prevention. Frankly, we live in the 21st century and it's important people invest in protection so that abortion doesn't have to become a solution, since it's not a pleasant thought.

Even after this point, I find it's important that if the circumstances dictate it (be it that the mother's life is in risk, a product of rape, the home situation would only lead to the family suffering, the mother is too young or not equipped etc), the zygote should be terminated in order to protect the actually functioning being (the mother).

Whatever the case though, it's the mother choice since it's in her womb and she has to undergo the process. I personally would not like to be involved in the process or the decision-maker, but that's because I'm too much of an optimist always thinking about what would happen if something were to go perfectly.

I want to make a rant about religious people who blindly stick to "traditional values", but I'll save it.

That's because you weren't aborted. Duh.

10/10 relevant comment

That's not even what's being aborted here, bud.
Then find proof about the complete sentience of a 12 week or younger old fetus/zygote mashup. If it's as easy as you say it is, I better start looking for a cactus.