What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)

[Rally]

The potential for life doesn't happen until the sperm and egg meet. The egg alone and the sperm alone mean nothing except whats in your DNA.

You're just dancing around the point. Life began with a zygote. The zygote is a potential for life. The zygote began with an egg and sperm, so an egg and sperm is a potential for life. Stop trying to change the goal posts pup, just admit your logic is flawed and find a new point for me to prove wrong.

I don't care about what "science" considers a living being.

Yeah, clearly.
I don't think anyone on planet earth cares about what you consider a living being. Science is the law of the land. Sorry pal.

A fertilized egg is a child, just extremely underdeveloped.

And rock salt and milk is ice cream, just extremely underdeveloped right? Still not ice cream.

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[Goth77]

Anyone with such flimsy, selective morals should be considered invalid in discussions like these. Either you support it or you don't; you can't justify being against it by using the "but it's alive" argument and then go on to say "oh, but it's okay if that living thing was the result of rape because then the child deserves to suffer the horrible fate which I identify abortion as"

I support abortion depending on the situation. That has nothing to do with the fact that the "thing" being "aborted" is still a child, no matter how under-developed it may be.

[TristanLuigi]

It seems that you have ignored all of my arguments and just read what you want to. Why am I even acknowledging you at this point? You're just calling everyone "delusional" because you're wrong. A fetus is life. It's really as simple as that.

But whether the fetus is "alive" yet or not, that's not the point. The mother is denying a human being the right to live, and usually to cover up for her own incompetence, and that's not okay. That's all I'm trying to argue.

...a fetus is not a human being. It is human (human DNA), but not a human being (capable of doing things like not dying if made independent from their mother,  breathing, moving, and most of all, thought.)

If it can't think right now, you can kill it. Perhaps this is disproven by the fact that you're still alive, though (not for your opinion, but because you can't argue them.)

[McJob]

But whether the fetus is "alive" yet or not, that's not the point. The mother is denying a human being the right to live, and usually to cover up for her own incompetence, and that's not okay. That's all I'm trying to argue.

That's an interesting one, and I want to break this part up.

But whether the fetus is "alive" yet or not, that's not the point. The mother is denying a human being the right to live,

This is the bit that's got me all interested since I didn't think about, however...

I don't think it could be considered a denial of living rights if the "being" was never living in the first place. Without that all important soul, they don't technically have a being. And, if you don't believe in the concept of a soul, then really it's an ethical issue that every individual will feel different on and there's no real consequence of your choice.

Even if that soul comes in to play, what about ye olde "God moves in mysterious ways"? Surely he would have played some wildcard so that the child was always destined to be aborted?

and usually to cover up for her own incompetence, and that's not okay.

I don't think the majority of abortions are for this reason, but even then it's likely they're too immature to responsibly hand a child, and therefore I think things are better off instead of the child growing up malformed either physically or mentally.

[Derontchi]

...a fetus is not a human being. It is human (human DNA), but not a human being (capable of doing things like not dying if made independent from their mother,  breathing, moving, and most of all, thought.)

If it can't think right now, you can kill it. Perhaps this is disproven by the fact that you're still alive, though.

Haha another grade A comedian! DNA is the instructions for a living thing. It's still denying the fetus to become a living thing. If it is not living yet, it will be.

Same thing to your, rebuttal, McJob. Thanks for keeping your head in this discussion so far.

[TristanLuigi]

Haha another grade A comedian! DNA is the instructions for a living thing. It's still denying the fetus to become a living thing. If it is not living yet, it will be.

Same thing to your, rebuttal, McJob. Thanks for keeping your head in this discussion so far.

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<three jobs>

Got a new argument this time? This is getting boring.

And by the way, it's not about your opinion. It's about if you can argue it, which you are failing preeetty badly at.

[Tokthree]

I support abortion depending on the situation. That has nothing to do with the fact that the "thing" being "aborted" is still a child, no matter how under-developed it may be.

So it doesn't matter that you're "murdering" an unborn child just because the circumstances of it's conception were unfortunate? Your morals, reasoning and justifications are all so flimsy that it's laughable to think that you believe you have any place in a discussion like this.

If abortion is bad because it's "murdering" an unborn child then you can't change your opinion just because the child was the result of rape because then you're not only "murdering" an unborn child but also holding it, a being with no real sentience or free will, responsible for acts which it did not commit and was not aware were committed which is morally wrong on an entirely different level

[Rally]

Haha another grade A comedian! DNA is the instructions for a living thing. It's still denying the fetus to become a living thing. If it is not living yet, it will be.

So how long are you going to run in circles before you just start straight up contradicting evidence? You're already slipping.

[Derontchi]

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<three jobs>

Got a new argument this time? This is getting boring.

That is my argument, but you have yet to disprove it. Quit playing Rally's loving ice cream brown townogy. Ice cream is not accurately comparable to loving life.

A fetus will turn into life, if it is not already.

[Jubel]

A fetus will turn into life

and there we go.

[Goth77]

...a fetus is not a human being. (not capable of doing things like not dying if made independent from their mother,  breathing, moving, and most of all, thought.)

So anything dependent upon another deserves to be killed? What??

The zygote is a potential for life. The zygote began with an egg and sperm, so an egg and sperm is a potential for life.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I already said that

If it can't think right now, you can kill it. Perhaps this is disproven by the fact that you're still alive.

Lol, funnnnnnnnyyyyyy.

[TristanLuigi]

Milk and salt will turn into cheese. I'm not destroying cheese by dumping out the bucket of things that are distinctly not cheese.

[Derontchi]

Milk and salt will turn into cheese. I'm not destroying cheese by dumping out the bucket of things that are distinctly not cheese.

What even is this argument

It doesn't even make sense

[Jubel]

What even is this argument

It doesn't even make sense

A fetus will turn into life

You're not trolling hard enough.
The circles are closing in.

You're completely denying everything you've said and I love it.

[Tokthree]

What even is this argument

It doesn't even make sense

The fact that you don't understand such a simple brown townogy speaks volumes