What is your stance on abortion? (Abortion discussion)

[TristanLuigi]

I'm a mozzarella and swiss fan myself, although I find provolone quite enjoyable.

Provolone is only decent on sandwiches, and in small amounts
but swiss cheese is just not up to par, get with the yellow cheese program
Mozzarella is eh, it's not good in and of itself but pizza and mozzarella sticks are great

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[SWAT One]

Distant? Not really. The bucket and the zygote are just things that eventually become other things. Is destroying the ingredients the same as destroying the product? No, if you recognize that salty milk isn't cheese.

A quick google search for the definition of life results thus:

"the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death."

Seeing that a zygote has the capacity for all these things as time is allowed to pass, a zygote is life.  The process is continual when in a natural state and is uninterrupted by anything that would kill it.  In what way is a zygote inorganic matter?

The bucket of salty milk contains organic matter, but the process of curdling is only a response of the pH of the system changing (via salt), causing proteins to lump together.  It is a process of A→B.

A zygote grows into a fetus, and a fetus into an infant because that is its purpose.  It develops over time and becomes increasingly autonomous and self-aware because that is its purpose.  It is a chain reaction of A→B→C→D→E and so on; this process is decided by life itself.

[Goth77]

Provolone is only decent on sandwiches, and in small amounts
but swiss cheese is just not up to par, get with the yellow cheese program

forget I was thinking subway im sorry

[Rally]

The bucket of salty milk contains organic matter, but the process of curdling is only a response of the pH of the system changing (via salt), causing proteins to lump together.  It is a process of A→B.

A zygote grows into a fetus, and a fetus into an infant because that is its purpose.  It develops over time and becomes increasingly autonomous and self-aware because that is its purpose.  It is a chain reaction of A→B→C→D→E and so on; this process is decided by life itself.

So it's just more steps. Okay. Fact is, if you throw out A, B, C or D, you still never threw out E, because you never had E in the first place.

[Derontchi]

Then why did you state otherwise. Clearly you wouldn't have if you believed so strongly in this delusion.

A fetus is just some random-ass stuff that appears after attempting to reproduce. It is impossible to produce a child by having love, and fetuses are made specifically to be killed. Fetuses never have been or will be life and must be executed immediately. Sieg heil!

Why the bold on "but it is a life"? It's all I've been saying.

[McJob]

Again, not trying to be personal, but simply discussing as per the thread topic.

Abortion is wrong because a fetus is life

So are bacteria, animals, plants and plenty more things in this universe. Why is it not wrong to destroy these things but wrong to destroy what is essentially an undeveloped cell?

it is still an organism.

Without capability to think, feel, learn or do anything that a human being can do it, while it can be considered human, it is not a human being and does not share the same level of rights as us.

Being implies a state. A zygote is a state before being.

a fetus' heart starts beating at 20 days, and starts sending brain waves at 40.

And yet, it cannot function in society. The rule is survival of the fittest, even the bible taught this, but it tried to persuade us that there were morals that were tied into the game of life. The point is that we cannot bring something into this world, unless we are absolutely sure responsibility can be taken for its survival until it reaches a point where it can survive for itself.

[Jubel]

A fetus is just some random-ass stuff that appears after attempting to reproduce. It is impossible to produce a child by having love, and fetuses are made specifically to be killed. Fetuses never have been or will be life and must be executed immediately. Sieg heil!

Thanks for ruining the no credibility you had. Clearly you're trolling. No one else would be so stupid to contradict themselves this many times.

[TristanLuigi]

A fetus is just some random-ass stuff that appears after attempting to reproduce. It is impossible to produce a child by having love, and fetuses are made specifically to be killed. Fetuses never have been or will be life and must be executed immediately. Sieg heil!

Why the bold on "but it is a life"? It's all I've been saying.

Holy stuff that is the biggest and worst example of strawman fallacy I have EVER seen

Wait did I get drawn back into this I WANT CHEESE DAMNIT
Preferably gmo ;)

[Rally]

I think my brown townogy crashed Derontchi's data processors and he's stuck recurring on his previous argument.

Using repetition to sell an idea works on TV ads and billboards, not logical arguments Derontchi.

[McJob]

Using repetition to sell an idea works on TV ads and billboards, not ethical arguments.

Especially in Australian TV. Those loving door ads...GET YOUR DOORS HERE AT DOORS PLUS WHERE YOU CAN BUY DOORS GO AND GET SOME DOORS NOOOOOOOOOWWWW.

OT: Can we please get a Brockrand Comic? And if so, can I be the magical sage guy in the background doing groovy stuff?

[Rally]

One time I was listening to spotify, and I got that stuffty Western Australia Police Academy advert literally 3 times in a row. Wtf man, not cool.

[SWAT One]

So it's just more steps. Okay. Fact is, if you throw out A, B, C or D, you still never threw out E, because you never had E in the first place.

Likewise, if this happened in the milk-curdling example, it wouldn't happen either.

Seriously are you trying to tell me that without cause there is no effect?  That's an obvious fact, and it points to nowhere.  Or is this some esoteric bullstuff that you use to get some giggles?

Life's purpose, on mean scientific terms is to be born, survive, and reproduce, so that the cycle perpetuates.  To interrupt this would be halting life, then, correct?

[Derontchi]

Thanks for ruining the no credibility you had. Clearly you're trolling. No one else would be so stupid to contradict themselves this many times.

It's called sarcasm, you twat.

And after some time, fetuses can feel pain in the majority of their body after some time, but I forgot how long.

[Zack]

Posting here again to point out something I'm sure everyone just missed.

But whether the fetus is "alive" yet or not, that's not the point. The mother is denying a human being the right to live, and usually to cover up for her own incompetence, and that's not okay. That's all I'm trying to argue.

Alright, Dreontchi, you're just taking your assumptions and ideas too far. Calm the forget down.

I'm seriously convinced you're a troll.

[McJob]

Life's purpose, on mean scientific terms is to be born, survive, and reproduce, so that the cycle perpetuates.  To interrupt this would be halting life, then, correct?

But what about circumstances where one life that is not developed would overrule a life that is developed? Surely the life that is developed should survive, as it would have more chance of continuing on to produce more life eventually?