My school is having a walkout protest

[superslayer]

thats fine. but calling bullstuff dosnt make it ok to take your own justice either.
if this really was a mob lynching issue i would have no comment. but this is a mob begging the justice system to give them what they want without using the justice system.

you see how thats even more bullstuff

I think your reputation on this forum is in danger here. I highly recommend you drop this and move on.

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[Bisjac]

mob rule dosnt convince there to be court action.
someone has to bring it to court. (anyone in that walkout should be trying to be that someone... wishing and begging does nothing) and no judge will even allow that to happen if there isnt enough evidence of the crime, that seems to be lacking, otherwise it would have happened.

[Bisjac]

I think your reputation on this forum is in danger here. I highly recommend you drop this and move on.

you say that like it matters what you people think of me lol.
you are not even the 100th person to say that to me. and i always come out ahead.

[ZSNO]

I think your reputation on this forum is in danger here. I highly recommend you drop this and move on.

lolwut

It's to raise awareness against bullying and loveual abuse. The school is allowing it, and we're doing it at the school because that's where both students attended.

Well, you called it a protest. What is it actually protesting against? It just seems more like awareness than a protest.
If you were protesting seems like it would be at the police station, city hall, or something.

[SWAT One]

not rape unless convicted for rape...
being convicted a crime is actually the only condition to being a convicted criminal there is...

wtf are you even talking about swat. handicap.
because yes, hes not a rapist unless convicted. as of right now he is 100% innocent. thats a fact. thats not even my opinion or want.

He is not under technical terms guilty, but A) I never even implied he is and B) You missed the entirety of my post.  handicap.  He is accused with viable premise, and that must be taken into account.  If you run a red light, and the traffic camera takes a picture of your license plate, you don't need the court to say you're guilty.

We must assume Schrödinger's Cat until the court decides.

[superslayer]

mob rule dosnt convince there to be court action.
someone has to bring it to court. (anyone in that walkout should be trying to be that someone... wishing and begging does nothing) and no judge will even allow that to happen if there isnt enough evidence of the crime, that seems to be lacking, otherwise it would have happened.

We're kind of beyond this specific case at the moment. What you said, is anyone who is guilty of being a rapist, but hasn't been found guilty in court, is innocent and there's nothing wrong with that. how you could possible believe that that is okay is mind numbing.

[Bisjac]

We're kind of beyond this specific case at the moment. What you said, is anyone who is guilty of being a rapist, but hasn't been found guilty in court, is innocent and there's nothing wrong with that. how you could possible believe that that is okay is mind numbing.

its not ok that people get away with crimes. but we dont know who they are because if we did then it was proven.

but that is contrary to your walkout, that is demanding justice for a crime that may not have happened.

[Bisjac]

He is accused with viable premise, and that must be taken into account.

in a court. not random people on the street with emotions.

[superslayer]

its not ok that people get away with crimes. but we dont know who they are because if we did then it was proven.

but that is contrary to your walkout, that is demanding justice for a crime that may not have happened.

Really, it's to raise awareness that that kind of thing happens. It's premise is based on this event, but it's not specifically for the event.

This is a quote from the event page:

"We will stand in solidarity with the rape victims in peaceful protest of bullying and loveual harassment. Join us outside the school on Main Street.
We ask that participants wear blue or teal-- the anti-bullying and anti-rape colors-- so we can show that we are a unified group.
We ask that parents give permission to their kids to walk out on November 24, either by phoning the school or writing a note.
We ask that all students be mindful that this is a peaceful protest, addressing a serious issue, and that they walk out in silence for those who don't have a voice."

[SeventhSandwich]

I'm not very familiar with the laws surrounding audio evidence, but that video seems pretty convincing. If you could get enough people to testify that it's his voice, he'll probably get convicted. That's just assuming that there's DNA evidence that they actually had love.

Either way, I don't really know what the school was trying to accomplish by suspending him. It might make sense if they were suspending him because they expected the girl to press charges, and it would kind of put the school in an awkward position to expel him without first seeing all the facts surrounding the situation. No matter what, the girl needs to actually accuse him of raping her or nobody is going to go to jail.

[SWAT One]

in a court. not random people on the street with emotions.

When did I say that mob rule was okay or that I supported it?  loving when?

IMO they should file a police report and let them handle it from there.  I mean people have a right to protest so I won't object, but it doesn't tackle the core of the situation.

[superslayer]

It's a walkout protest, in support of rape victims. I'm aware I may not have made that quite clear enough. This specific case is what caused the protest to be formed, but it's primarily for anyone who is a victim of rape and has no voice so they can know they have support. I just cant accept bisjac's logic, and it angers me that with his logic, rapist are completely innocent unless a court say's they're not. that's almost giving them permission to rape, so long as they don't get caught then it's alright. And that's just not right.

This thread train wrecked way harder than i thought it would.

[Bisjac]

well that is why all crimes are committed at all. because people know they have to be proven, otherwise they are free.
so yeah people take advantage of it.

but its still a hell of a lot better then the old system...

[SeventhSandwich]

I just cant accept bisjac's logic, and it angers me that with his logic, rapist are completely innocent unless a court say's they're not.

The way I see it is that the school is probably nervous about expelling him because they'll get in very hot water if they expel someone for committing a crime they were never convicted of (especially if they're a public school). I can totally understand why students don't want to attend classes with someone accused (and, essentially guilty) of raping underaged girls, and if they accuse and convict him of rape he'll be in jail and won't be able to go to school anyway.

well that is why all crimes are committed at all. because people know they have to be proven, otherwise they are free.
so yeah people take advantage of it.

but its still a hell of a lot better then the old system...

That's true. A justice system that lets some guilty people go free is always better than one that falsely imprisons innocent people.

[ZSNO]

This thread train wrecked way harder than i thought it would.

I blame it on the part where all the information you have is a video and you don't even know if the rape victims reported it to the police.