"Poll: Should officer Darren Wilson, who shot Michael Brown, be arrested?"

[Kimon²]

posted that link to suggest the officer's account was deemed true

ok but the source you cited literally says that the "evidence" was taken out of context

your own source debunked you

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[iAmburnJ]

ok but the source you cited literally says that the "evidence" was taken out of context

yet the officer's account has been deemed in line with the general forensic evidence. reaching for the gun evidence aside.

[Foxscotch]

i was putting you into an officer's shoes with that uh..metaphor? no loving clue but, again. re-read and pretend you're a police officer. you can't tell me you wouldn't shoot somebody CHARGING you with a lethal weapon.

why on earth would I be a police officer?

In situations where deadly force is used; one person usually ends up dead.

soo don't use deadly force. use a taser or something

Do you have some sort of bitter dislike for cops or something? Did you get a speeding ticket? Why are you valuing the life of a criminal over the life of a police officer?

I've never had a bad experience with cops before. I've never even been pulled over. I just don't like murder, which is apparently so odd that you've decided the real problem for me is a bad experience with police

[Kimon²]

yet the officer's account has been deemed in line with the general forensic evidence. reaching for the gun evidence aside.

wow you really have no clue what you're talking about do you

[iAmburnJ]

why on earth would I be a police officer?soo don't use deadly force. use a taser or somethingI've never had a bad experience with cops before. I've never even been pulled over. I just don't like murder, which is apparently so odd that you've decided the real problem for me is a bad experience with police

I feel like at this point you aren't interested in discussing this seriously if you're ignoring that I just said it's a comparison or w/e. Okay, so a police officer is being charged by somebody, again, with a lethal weapon. Adrenalin, fear, all that stuff's there because y'know, they're humans. Bam bam.

wow you really have no clue what you're talking about do you

A+ argument would be wrecked again ;(((((

[Kimon²]

A+ argument would be wrecked again ;(((((

i mean you keep posting "the article says it's true" when the literal start of the article says "edit: this was taken out of context"

again, did you even read your own damn source

[Rally]

soo don't use deadly force. use a taser or something

I don't think you have any idea how less-lethal works. Tasers are extremely short range (max for law enforcement is 10m, extremely unreliable at this range) and don't always penetrate heavy clothing. If the target is intoxicated, under the influence of alcohol, or under an intense adrenaline rush, they might not even feel it.

Taser will always lose to a firearm. Not exceptions. Tasers and handguns are not on the same level by any stretch of the imagination, if you are armed with a taser and your opponent is armed with a firearm, you are severely outgunned.

[iAmburnJ]

i mean you keep posting "the article says it's true" when the literal start of the article says "edit: this was taken out of context"

again, did you even read your own damn source

"some of her statements"

[Harm94]

really don't see what you're talking about. I didn't say "they should be fired if it was deemed unnecessary," I just said they should be fired if they kill someone, period

Police are only trained to shoot to stop someone. Whatever the amount of force takes to stop someone. Did the badguy not go down after the first bullet? Hit him again, but still not down? Okay hit him again and again until he either gives up, passes out, or dies, which ever comes first until he or she is no longer a threat.

[Kimon²]

in fact, let's post a quote from the edit of the source that he linked me to

"But Melinek said she did not assert that a gunshot wound on Brown’s hand definitively showed that he was reaching for Wilson’s gun during a struggle while the officer was in a police SUV and Brown was standing at the driver’s window, as the Post-Dispatch reported."

which is basically them saying "the newspaper distorted what i really reported"

"some of her statements"

see the above, the entire basis for your "evidence" was bullstuff

[iAmburnJ]

in fact, let's post a quote from the edit of the source that he linked me to

"But Melinek said she did not assert that a gunshot wound on Brown’s hand definitively showed that he was reaching for Wilson’s gun during a struggle while the officer was in a police SUV and Brown was standing at the driver’s window, as the Post-Dispatch reported."

which is basically them saying "the newspaper distorted what i really reported"see the above, the entire basis for your "evidence" was bullstuff

i'm not saying i wasn't wrong on what i said but i'm saying it has to have some sort of merit, because (could be wrong here), wasn't some of it used in the trial? i don't think i'm completely out of the loop here.

[Kimon²]

i'm not saying i wasn't wrong on what i said but i'm saying it has to have some sort of merit, because (could be wrong here), wasn't some of it used in the trial? i don't think i'm completely out of the loop here.

the fact that you came in here so sure that you had evidence but it turns out that you didnt actually read your source to check it makes you lose pretty any credibility you had

[iAmburnJ]

the fact that you came in here so sure that you had evidence but it turns out that you didnt actually read your source to check it makes you lose pretty any credibility you had

ok

[Foxscotch]

I feel like at this point you aren't interested in discussing this seriously if you're ignoring that I just said it's a comparison or w/e. Okay, so a police officer is being charged by somebody, again, with a lethal weapon. Adrenalin, fear, all that stuff's there because y'know, they're humans. Bam bam.

okay, but they shouldn't have the gun in the first place. then they can't shoot anyone, adrenaline or not

Taser will always lose to a firearm. Not exceptions. Tasers and handguns are not on the same level by any stretch of the imagination, if you are armed with a taser and your opponent is armed with a firearm, you are severely outgunned.

well, the other person shouldn't have a gun either
britain's gun control is stricter and the cops don't carry guns (as often?), and they're better off
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24/u-k-gun-curbs-mean-more-violence-yet-fewer-deaths-than-in-u-s-.html
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-18/how-many-times-british-cops-fired-guns-all-last-year-3

Police are only trained to shoot to stop someone. Whatever the amount of force takes to stop someone. Did the badguy not go down after the first bullet? Hit him again, but still not down? Okay hit him again and again until he either gives up, passes out, or dies, which ever comes first until he or she is no longer a threat.

uh alright. still, dunno what the point is in telling me that

[Rally]

britain's gun control is stricter and the cops don't carry guns (as often?), and they're better off
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24/u-k-gun-curbs-mean-more-violence-yet-fewer-deaths-than-in-u-s-.html
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-18/how-many-times-british-cops-fired-guns-all-last-year-3uh

You can make a gun control argument if you want, but that's a different kind of prevention. We're talking about a present situation prevention. Yes, I'd love to live in a perfect world where police don't have to use lethal force on anyone. Fact is: I live in the real world, where criminals can own firearms, legally or illegally. In order to enforce law, responding to lethal force with lethal force is a harsh but necessary measure.