Author Topic: "Poll: Should officer Darren Wilson, who shot Michael Brown, be arrested?"  (Read 69717 times)

itt: kimon wipes ass tracks everywhere with his hilarious cop hate

itt: kimon wipes ass tracks everywhere with his hilarious cop hate
I can't stand cops either, I just (like most people) won't take risks.

I can't stand cops either, I just (like most people) won't take risks.

4. kid has gun without orange tip, therefore it is most likely a real gun
5. shoot
yeah im not dealing with this anymore go ahead and do whatever else you wanna do without me

yeah im not dealing with this anymore go ahead and do whatever else you wanna do without me
do you do this every time your argument is completely debunked?


why do i have to explain to you people why i refuse to prove why it should be morally wrong to assume that a 12 year old has a real gun, despite semi-conflicting claims and what is probably common knowledge that even if this kid had a gun he probably couldn't take down trained professionals with it, and shoot him immediately without an attempt at any non-violent solution. good lord.

Shots fired on Hunter Avenue.

why do i have to explain to you people why i refuse to prove why it should be morally wrong to assume that a 12 year old has a real gun, despite semi-conflicting claims and what is probably common knowledge that even if this kid had a gun he probably couldn't take down trained professionals with it, and shoot him immediately without an attempt at any non-violent solution. good lord.
Calm down and take a break from the forums for a few days.

why do i have to explain to you people why i refuse to prove why it should be morally wrong to assume that a 12 year old has a real gun, despite semi-conflicting claims and what is probably common knowledge that even if this kid had a gun he probably couldn't take down trained professionals with it, and shoot him immediately without an attempt at any non-violent solution. good lord.
A gun can take down anyone if used right, that kid could have killed a trained marine if he pulled the trigger faster than the marine could react. A gun isn't something to be forgeted with.

there should be a point where you all ask yourself "is this event really worth defending?"
Calm down and take a break from the forums for a few days.
ah yes you got me im absolutely blistering with fury right now
A gun can take down anyone if used right, that kid could have killed a trained marine if he pulled the trigger faster than the marine could react. A gun isn't something to be forgeted with.
you realize that the cops didnt just stroll into this blissfully unaware and unprepared, right? or who knows, based on how they reacted they probably were unprepared.

it should be morally wrong to assume that a 12 year old has a real gun, despite semi-conflicting claims and what is probably common knowledge that even if this kid had a gun he probably couldn't take down trained professionals with it, and shoot him immediately without an attempt at any non-violent solution.
Sounds like a bunch of speculative bullstuff that would:

1. Not even go halfway through your head before your training and instincts kick in to draw your weapon

2. Risk the lives of both the officer and innocent people nearby because of something stupid that the parents did.

This is the same type of scenario as if some parents decided to not watch their kids at SeaWorld and one of them fell in the whale tank and got eaten by Shamu. The whale only sees the kid as the same kind of food that gets normally thrown into the tank, but it's the parents that are responsible for the kid's death in the first place.

there should be a point where you all ask yourself "is this event really worth defending?"
It's worth defending because the police officer shouldn't have to go to jail for doing what he was trained (and legally allowed) to do.

there should be a point where you all ask yourself "is this event really worth defending?"ah yes you got me im absolutely blistering with fury right nowyou realize that the cops didnt just stroll into this blissfully unaware and unprepared, right? or who knows, based on how they reacted they probably were unprepared.
Prepared or not, a bullet is quick and deadly. Prepared people die all the time by gunfire. Do you know why? Guns are dangerous.

Reading the past few pages, it seems a few people are misunderstanding how strong a bullet actually is.

It should be noted that the gun Wilson used was a .40 calibre bullet (10.16mm). They're standard issue, and have moderate to low stopping power against a human.

The thing with police guns is that they're meant to inflict pain to take the person down, not to kill. Similar to a tazer, but more damaging. Which is why normally police aim for the legs or arms where fatal injury is less likely to happen. Even then, a shot to the stomach or possibly lung would be survivable if rushed to the hospital on time.

The bullet itself is more or less a solid chunk of lead/copper. It's not meant to do anything special but go through the skin and get stuck in the body. They're not supposed to leave out the other side to reduce damage as much as possible. They're meant to stop you, not to kill.

(Disregarding accidental hits to the vital organs.)

On the other hand, if a person is shown that he isn't going to go down without a fight, usually when they're armed with guns of equal or greater firepower, the police won't take a chance until the weapons are clearly released from their hands, even if it means taking a life.


In comparison, a .30 calibre round in a hunting rifle is much different. These bullets could easily kill a man if impacted on most parts of the body. They're designed to compress as soon as they hit flesh, or even deform when in mid-air, looking similar to this.

These are very deadly, as they're meant to cause as much internal bleeding as possible to leave a trail, and to get the heart/lungs to fail as quickly as possible.

They're not used by the police because even a shot to the ankle could cause someone to bleed to death very quickly. These types of bullets aren't even used against soldiers in war, as they're considered inhumane and cruel. (Afaik)

This is what a .40 calibre round should look like if coming out the other side of a person.

The bullet should stay in one piece to minimalize blood loss.

The purpose of the bullet is to put the person in shock, hopefully stopping them from doing whatever action the police were telling them to stop doing.

However in this case, we have the problem of the person being shot 6 times. Doesn't really matter what calibre the bullet is. It could be a .22 round for the sake of this example. There will be too many holes in you, and you will be losing a lot of blood. However, 1 shot isn't always enough to take down a man. Two to three hits are quite often what it takes to subdue the assailant



In the claims of Wilson, Brown kept coming forward at him, causing him to discharge 4 more shots at him to halt his activity. At least going off the RCMP laws that I'm aware of, the shooting count is justified, as they're meant to stop the person from attacking, and it's only when Brown's body and mind realized that it was in trouble, and the adrenaline stopped flowing, that he probably fell to the ground and died.

Adrenaline is the body's natural painkiller. If the statements of Brown attacking Wilson through the vehicle were true, it would've been surging through his system due to flight or fight instinct, and in which case his brain chose fight. In the event of this happening, the brain prepares itself for the pain about to come when fighting, and can potentially shrug off bullets until the pain is too intense to ignore, or succumbs to the injuries.



An example more people could relate too would be if they ever got into a physical fight with someone, you normally don't realize how much pain you're actually in until the fight is over or you're loosing horribly. Or when you manage to experience something partially traumatic, such as a scary slip on ice, only to when you can catch your breath an re-orient yourself, you suddenly realize. "Ow, my tailbone loving hurts"





Also, I've chosen to take neutral ground again because I was being a huge loving cunt earlier. Can't really justify it either, but whatever. It's not fun being angry over nothing.
Apologies to Kimon, and Foxscotch and anyone else respectively effected. I don't have the capacity to debate intelligently without throwing around insults like skittles in one of their commercials.

I will stand by the stance however, that based on how the evidence can be inconclusive, that the grand jury couldn't have come to a possible conclusion based on whatever evidence they had that could completely prove Wilson guilty. While I do now see that letting him off scott free isn't the best thing to do, it could've been the Jury's only choice if the provided evidence was inconclusive. As well, they're fed evidence that is unaffected by the press and social media. They're supposed to be an unbiased system, and either the evidence was telling them that Wilson was in the right, or that it was not enough to convict him of proper charges.

Although me taking it as something to celebrate was well undeserved. I have to offer my utmost respect for the family, as it can be heartbreaking knowing that proper justice wasn't delivered over their son's death. I should feel ashamed, and I do.

Personally, Wilson should've been reprimanded to some degree. How far I'm not sure, but control is something that is taught during in police school, and that an officer has to keep as much control as possible.

Prepared or not, a bullet is quick and deadly. Prepared people die all the time by gunfire. Do you know why? Guns are dangerous.
well despite the fact that you guys were arguing that a couple bullets were not enough to stop mike brown, i'd say the fact that they knew it was in the hands of a 12 year old and that it might be fake would at least give them SOME options other than "shoot him"

well despite the fact that you guys were arguing that a couple bullets were not enough to stop mike brown, i'd say the fact that they knew it was in the hands of a 12 year old and that it might be fake would at least give them SOME options other than "shoot him"
Yeah, theres another option. "wait and possibly die"