Poll

What do you believe?

God exists!
47 (33.3%)
There is no such thing as god...
32 (22.7%)
I don't believe in god but I'm open to the thought.
62 (44%)

Total Members Voted: 141

Author Topic: Is it safe to say god doesn't exist now?  (Read 7229 times)

"Miracles" were a lot more noticeable back then because the population was so small. Now that we've got 7 billion people on earth those things tend to go unnoticed, or they're very small. Like someone being cured of disease or someone cheating death. That's my theory, anyways.

your examples there are not miracles lol...

but then wouldn't it be god's fault for having given you the ability to do such a thing?
then god shouldn't blame us for doing so, considering he hasn't given us anything resembling an answer.

We're no longer dependent on stories or miracles to survive. We have medicine and common sense, but out ancestors didn't.

Evolution.

we used religion as a way to explain things we couldn't understand and now that we can actually explain those things, it's just unnecessary. we can probably find new ways to instill good morals on children.
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if god isnt real then why is he in the dictionary????

your examples there are not miracles lol...

Well, yeah, of course. That's usually due to the work of good doctors and medical professionals, etc. Those were bad examples. But every once in a while a dude'll get out of a car accident where he would've died completely unscathed. Like that dude who had the semi truck trailer fall on his car and he came out just fine. Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious, but miracles do happen sometimes.

if god isnt real then why is he in the dictionary????


Well, yeah, of course. That's usually due to the work of good doctors and medical professionals, etc. Those were bad examples. But every once in a while a dude'll get out of a car accident where he would've died completely unscathed. Like that dude who had the semi truck trailer fall on his car and he came out just fine. Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious, but miracles do happen sometimes.
Thats just an example of one lucky S.O.B.


Thats just an example of one lucky S.O.B.
There is absolutely no way anybody could believe in "luck" or "coincidence".

Without diving into personal experience, there's a couple things I just can't see without some kind of religious/spiritual explanation.

We live in a world where everything applies itself to very specific rules of physics and mathematics, be it Newton's Laws of Gravity or the Golden Mean. How am I supposed to believe that's a construction of pure randomness? Everything has been crafted so methodically. Evolution feels more like careful design, rather than people with mutations either dying or living.

Furthermore, the big bang itself. What even caused that? How did it go from one state to the current state? It needed to be triggered, but how could it have been triggered? Where did the original particles come from, and what existed before all this? I don't think our science even hundreds of years in the future will be able to answer all of those accurately.

I dunno, man. I believe science exists for there to be order, and for people to have purpose, but I have doubts it is the be all and end all. There's something that planned out the science. That's the way I see it.

Look, I'm really not trying to start any flame wars here but "God" (whatever that is) is a question of faith, not proof, and this is because the definition of "God" varies from person to person, so there isn't always a substantial and objective "proof" for its existence. It's really about whatever belief floats your boat. There is no definitive answer to this, but if you mean if its safe to express your irreligious beliefs, then yes, it is. People are almost entirely not persecuted these days in the developed world because of their beliefs, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Parts of humanity continues to be intolerant of these things because it is different than their own.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gravity-waves-cmb-b-mode-polarization/
http://gizmodo.com/astronomers-discover-first-direct-proof-of-the-big-bang-1545525927

Clearly in the link above (that was made several months ago mind you), scientists discovered SOLID proof of the big bang. This alone eliminates God.

Thirty years back, many churches claimed that the big bang never even existed, when more and more proof came surfacing up about the big bang, these exact same churches turned around and said that God created the universe using the big bang. Excuse me, what the forget? Were you not the exact same people that said the big bang never even existed?

On to the topic of the Bible or whatever other book of made up fairy tales that people believe in, these are no proof that God exists. Anybody and I mean ANYBODY could write a book while they were slammed on wine and high on ancient marijuana (metaphor), hell even I could. Who's to say though, that the people who wrote these books didn't actually just make all that stuff up? Who's to say that they didn't just have dreams and write them all down.

So based on what I have said and the fact that religion makes no loving sense as far as what they truly believe in...

God is not real.
God. Is. Dead.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2014, 11:41:30 PM by Aplem »

so much misunderstanding in this thread

lots of bias too

I'd love to argue about this but not here - there's too many edgy/aggressive people that will butt in on a peaceful conversation



I will however leave this;

why do you guys care (like I get the point if groups of people try to convince you god is real)

personally it just looks like some way to be edgy about religion; and if not what affect did being christian have on you?(with different sects of Christianity in mind and different behaviors)

the majority of Christians that mind their own business just go on and live happily and if they die and they don't go to heaven or hell - what difference did it make to you personally?  
« Last Edit: December 29, 2014, 11:50:43 PM by Badger »

Clearly in the link above (that was made several months ago mind you), scientists discovered SOLID proof of the big bang. This alone eliminates God.
I'm not quite sure what kind of cunt it takes to ignore what people say, but I don't recall myself or many others here saying that the big bang "isn't real" or that the big bang's existence disproves God. What you're basically arguing is that the existence of science is linked to the non-existence of God, and that's a pure stream of bullstuff if I ever saw one.

Excuse me, what the forget? Were you not the exact same people that said the big bang never even existed?
So in your tiny world, people are not allowed to change and to admit to their mistakes? The Church is a big organisation of old people who are so conservative and stuck to their beliefs, of course they would deny proof for a long time. That doesn't mean anything about the reality of the situation.

Just because I don't see my dog outside doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Just because the Church says the Sun orbits the Earth doesn't mean it is so.

On to the topic of the Bible or whatever other book of made up fairy tales that people believe in, these are no proof that God exists. Anybody and I mean ANYBODY could write a book while they were slammed on wine and high on ancient marijuana (metaphor), hell even I could. Who's to say though, that the people who wrote these books didn't actually just make all that stuff up? Who's to say that they didn't just have dreams and write them all down.
Jesus loving Christ. So, you argue that people believe solely based on some collection of books written by a bunch of dead dudes? As I said above, I believe because of stuff I've seen, heard, experienced and studied. The Bible is nothing more than a collection of outdated morals and fables written a long, long time ago. I don't even have a stance on the existence of Jesus, since it's not loving important if he existed or not.

So based on what I have said and the fact that religion makes no loving sense as far as what they truly believe in...
It's hard to listen to a man who clearly judges religion based on some superficial bullstuff about how people who call themselves "religious" act.

God is not real.
God. Is. Dead.
If God is not real, how could he have died?

Nietzsche was a funny man, too. I genuinely love his work. I don't agree with his points on atheism, but definitely one of the most important writers/philosophers in history. His non-belief stemmed from bad personal experience, though. If his Father had of died much later, it is possible that Nietzsche may have been a devout Christian his entire life.

There is absolutely no way anybody could believe in "luck" or "coincidence".

Without diving into personal experience, there's a couple things I just can't see without some kind of religious/spiritual explanation.

We live in a world where everything applies itself to very specific rules of physics and mathematics, be it Newton's Laws of Gravity or the Golden Mean. How am I supposed to believe that's a construction of pure randomness? Everything has been crafted so methodically. Evolution feels more like careful design, rather than people with mutations either dying or living.

Furthermore, the big bang itself. What even caused that? How did it go from one state to the current state? It needed to be triggered, but how could it have been triggered? Where did the original particles come from, and what existed before all this? I don't think our science even hundreds of years in the future will be able to answer all of those accurately.

I dunno, man. I believe science exists for there to be order, and for people to have purpose, but I have doubts it is the be all and end all. There's something that planned out the science. That's the way I see it.
What made God or the creator of everything?