Poll

Which side are you on?

I'm for businesses having the right to deny service to anyone
48 (42.5%)
I am against businesses having the right to deny service to anyone
45 (39.8%)
I don't have an opinion
11 (9.7%)
Other... (pls explain)
9 (8%)

Total Members Voted: 113

Author Topic: Pizzaria in my town raises $842k over gays rights debacle, reopens to full house  (Read 34921 times)

What the hell are you even on about now? If this stays law, it won't matter whether homoloveuals sue or not because the discrimination will be legal.
apparently not

I'm talking about using those religious beliefs to discriminate, and so I'll ask again: Can you name one example of a religious person kicking a homoloveual out of their business on the grounds of 'religious beliefs' that does not qualify as discrimination?

apparently i can't

Okay, so racism against black people still exists. Why don't we just get rid of the Civil Rights Act considering that people still violate it even though it's part of our law?

not comparable. there's no law or statute guaranteeing that gays have the right to get pizza for their wedding from anyone

Let's be real here: If you're a Christian (which I'll assume you are for the sake of this), do you feel like your right to express your religion is significantly burdened by having to deal with gay people on an occasional basis?

who or what do you think a religious person is going to give precedent to their decisions to? some ordinance contrary to their religious values or their deity? when have i ever even argued that discriminating against anyone because they're not your favorite color is even an acceptable thing?

why is it you think that giving a christian/muslim/whatever small businessperson a tight, rarely-used legal avenue to defend themselves in a discrimination lawsuit is more reprehensible than some gay couple having to walk to the next bakery to get a cake for their wedding?

What the hell are you even on about now? If this stays law, it won't matter whether homoloveuals sue or not because the discrimination will be legal.
The law that was passed doesn't allow discrimination, just the choice of who to not offer service. It doesn't say the manager can go to work and beat up a gay kid because of religious freedom

apparently not
So courts have ruled that such laws are patently endorsing discrimination? Sounds like exactly what I've been saying. Why are you for this law again?

apparently i can't
I'll take a hypothetical example, since I'm sure you've thought of one at some point.

not comparable. there's no law or statute guaranteeing that gays have the right to get pizza for their wedding from anyone
There wasn't any law or statue guaranteeing that black people, women, Jews, and immigrants had the right to not be turned away by a business on the basis of their demographic up until the Civil Rights Act. Sounds like a flimsy argument.


who or what do you think a religious person is going to give precedent to their decisions to? some ordinance contrary to their religious values or their deity? when have i ever even argued that discriminating against anyone because they're not your favorite color is even an acceptable thing?
Sure seems like you're encouraging it since you're defending a law that encourages it (only this time with gays instead of blacks and immigrants).

why is it you think that giving a christian/muslim/whatever small businessperson a tight, rarely-used legal avenue to defend themselves in a discrimination lawsuit is more reprehensible than some gay couple having to walk to the next bakery to get a cake for their wedding?
Because why should they have a legal avenue to defend themselves if they have committed discrimination? It should be a crime, and if you actually think that discrimination is wrong, you'll agree with me.

The law that was passed doesn't allow discrimination, just the choice of who to not offer service. It doesn't say the manager can go to work and beat up a gay kid because of religious freedom
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Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
Where does it talk about violence? If you refuse to serve someone because of their loveual orientation, you are committing clear-cut discrimination.

The law that was passed doesn't allow discrimination, just the choice of who to not offer service.
Yes, you just defined discrimination.
What was your point again?

Yes, you just defined discrimination.
What was your point again?
idek

stalin's regime was fascism disguised as communism

I felt I had to bring up this comment from earlier in the thread because I have trouble imagining any statement that could be more utterly in opposition to the truth than "stalin was a fascist".

I felt I had to bring up this comment from earlier in the thread because I have trouble imagining any statement that could be more utterly in opposition to the truth than "stalin was a fascist".

alright
care to explain?

alright
care to explain?
....Stalin was literally an anti-Fascist.

(x dictator) was a communist fascist right guys haha

that's not oxymoronic right ha

how did it even come to this lmao

I wouldn't be mad if they didn't serve me because I am straight, it's their choice. It's not even discrimination.

Also not anti-gay, just anti-gay marriage.

alright
care to explain?
authoritarianism does not necessarily mean fascism

okay, I was wrong

(x dictator) was a communist fascist right guys haha

that's not oxymoronic right ha

that's not what I was saying but okay
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