Author Topic: Alright, so can we talk about annoying SJWs for a second?  (Read 9319 times)

Like, it's 100% annoying but also they're like right at least 80% of the time yo
good one

About cultural appropriation? HAH. HAHAh. no
Well, I don't know so much about that, but in general the whole cause of social justice is pretty good and I think that people are mostly resistant to it for fairly selfish reasons

Well, I don't know so much about that, but in general the whole cause of social justice is pretty good and I think that people are mostly resistant to it for fairly selfish reasons
elaborate

Like, it's 100% annoying but also they're like right at least 80% of the time yo
Just because someone is offended doesn't mean they're right. Especially if they're offended about something that doesn't directly have an effect on them.

Now, I don't know exactly what definition of social justice you guys want to use, but I'm going to stick with the one used by the Green Party because I think it works pretty well with the tumblr sjws we see.

Issues like women's rights (including reproductive rights), social and economic equality, violence and oppression, racial discrimination are ALL important to discuss. These are core issues to the social justice cause, and I do think that these are good discussions to have. People, on all sides, want women to have rights and they want to end oppression and discrimination. Obviously, the cause of social justice is good, as it really does aim to make people happier.

But I think that people are resistant to these ideas because of the accusatory tone which SJWs take when they talk about these things. As in, people want to end discrimination, but SJWs will talk to people as though they are personally the problem. So when I say "selfish reasons" I mean that people don't disagree with the social justice platform, but they simply feel that SJWs are attacking them or their way of life with what they say.

The first of these then that I think is important to talk about is women's rights. In lots of ways, most people (aka non-sjws) agree with most elements of this. BUT, people are resistant to discussion about the wage gap, discrimination and consent. For all three of these things, it's because people don't personally see them as a problem and as such don't understand the concern. That is to say, people who are not affected by these issues do not see that they are a problem. People think that because a problem does not affect them, it does not exist. Obviously, this is wrong, but it is totally fair. After all, many sjws don't want to address problems that don't personally affect them or whichever cause they choose to support. So this sort of thinking goes both ways, but it is definitely one thing that makes people not like social justice. Frankly, I don't know if the wage gap exists or not (I've seen plenty of evidence for both sides so I don't really have any reason to think one way or the other), but I do know that some people think that it's an issue. I do know, however, that many people are misinformed on the issues of consent and loveual education. That is, the social ideas that we have about loveual harassment and rape are still dangerous to many people, and many people don't want to talk about rape as an issue.

In a lot of ways, I think that people dislike social justice because they personally feel they are not a part of the problem. SJWs will say things like "1/6 of women are raped in their life" or something like that, and people (on both sides) will misinterpret that. First of all, obviously this statistic shows that rape is a huge and terrible problem. But SJWs who become afraid of men because of this are severely misguided. Regardless, some people will come to the conclusion from this that "men are dangerous". As such, non-sjws will find themselves personally attacked by what the sjws are saying. And this is where much of the animosity comes from. In reality, this statistic is a result of lacking loveual education and a terrible understanding of what actually constitutes rape. People are resistant to the idea that rape is more than just violent rape but actually refers to any love without consent. This is because people are afraid that they will be unjustly accused of rape. The problem then becomes that both sides are going to be arguing about an issue because they simply are not on the same page.

For the most part, people who are anti-social justice feel like they have to take this position to protect themselves. Statistics about rape and discrimination end up with people feeling guilty about something they did not take part in, which is why some people begin to assert that these are not issues. For example, just because you have not personally racially discriminated against someone, that doesn't mean racial discrimination does not exist.

All of these things mean that social justice is a noble goal to pursue. But I think that people lost sight of this (on both sides) when they end up having to defend themselves against perceived accusations. For example, the lady described in the OP is annoying and she is certainly in the wrong, but many people find issues with cultural appropriation. Now, I personally don't understand the problem with cultural appropriation, but if people think that it's wrong, that's their own deal. So the idea of her saying "You're wrong because you're appropriating!" is terrible and stuffty, because she's blocking off this conversation. Aggressive SJ warrioring is what turns people off from the discussion. But some people genuinely believe that cultural appropriation is bad and want to stop it, and I think that can be seen as a noble goal. However, since she went about it in such a stuffty way, that makes it seem like she's wrong and like she's simply being an starfish. So, I dunno, I feel like people want to hate on social justice because they feel like they are personally being held responsible. And I think this happens because dumbass social justice warriors will hold you responsible for something that isn't your fault. And this is how anti-sjws will end up defending racism and rape and stuff like that, not because anti-sjws want to defend it, but because sjws want to unfairly accuse people of being part of these issues.

Altogether, I don't really know what to say. I see both sides of the issue, but I do think that the ideas behind social justice are great. The problem becomes when people get obsessed about it and talk about it all the time. All that does is makes everyone feel unhappy, and it makes them look like an starfish. People like that live their entire life in this loving mire of unhappiness, because they think that "empathy" means "making people feel bad for issues they didn't cause and things they didn't do". But the ending of oppression and racism and loveism is a noble goal and I think, honestly, most people would agree with these things if they weren't made to feel responsible for things they didn't do.

Edit:
Just because someone is offended doesn't mean they're right. Especially if they're offended about something that doesn't directly have an effect on them.
You're right, but I don't see so much what you're saying. Some people think that cultural appropriation is a problem, it doesn't have to affect them. Similarly, just because someone's annoying doesn't make them wrong.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2015, 05:13:44 PM by TheKhoz »

whoever actually reads that wins a hat


summarise in 15 words or less to prove it


summarise in 15 words or less to prove it
people think social justice is a good thing \but are reluctant to talk about it

also there's stuff about being personally attacked by sjws but that's more than 15

To clarify what I was saying, people will freak out about racism when they see it, but I think the word "racism" is severely overused to the point where it has been watered down to being nearly meaningless. As an outsider looking in, I don't see the problem with white people. Slavery was stuffty but remember that white people were enslaved at one point as well. I don't feel oppressed by the existence of white people. I don't feel oppressed when little kids play "cowboys and indians" and I don't even feel oppressed by the Washington Redskins or Cleveland Indians. I'm a trans minority female and I don't see any "patriarchy" and I don't feel any "oppression" or "rape culture." I think there is a lot of distorting of facts on both sides, and this only adds to the confusion. But me, personally, I don't feel oppressed and don't believe that tumblr feminism accurately represents real third-wave feminism. Tumblr just makes it easier for the extremists to be heard, the kinds that want to kill all men and castrate boys at birth so their testosterone doesn't make them threats to women. Those kinds of people need to forget off with their harmful, toxic ideas. If we want to jump on the "let's hate white people" bandwagon, white people distributing smallpox blankets killed up to 1.5 million Native Americans through the disease alone, in what was arguably a genocide. But you know what? I don't hate white people. I don't hate men. I don't hate people with privileges that I don't have. All I want is for everyone to be equal in opportunities. No special treatment allowed.

tl;dr your people killed my people and you're living on our land but I don't hate anyone for it because hate is stuffty
« Last Edit: April 05, 2015, 05:32:02 PM by Cappytaino »

whats wrong with smooth jazz waluigis

Well, I don't know so much about that, but in general the whole cause of social justice is pretty good and I think that people are mostly resistant to it for fairly selfish reasons

lol, nice one. Tell another.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2015, 05:57:47 PM by Frequency »

lol, nice one. Tell another.
do you even know what true social justice is?

do you even know what true social justice is?

um

justice?

also, regarding Khoz's wall, I think it's worth noting that people who are resistant to the SJW agenda isn't because they feel like they're being accused, but because they are being accused.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2015, 06:01:55 PM by Frequency »